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Done well in his last couple of games but overall he's proven that he isn't good enough. Only saw the highlights and it sounds like Pickford did OK yesterday, if that's the case I'd make him number 1 from now on.
I felt much more comfortable with pickford in goal than I ever have with mannone.
 
Mannone is a disaster waiting to happen every time he plays. You know there is always a mistake in him.

Didn't see anything in pickford yesterday to suggest he's any better or even as capable. Early days but you can't judge him better on the basis he isn't Mannone alone.
 
Never been impressed when I seen him play for the reserves, all be it a few year ago. His kicking though is absolutely tremendous. An attribute we have not seen in a safc keeper for a long time. Hopefully his shot stopping and handling of crosses are decent.

cheers.
 
Done well in his last couple of games but overall he's proven that he isn't good enough. Only saw the highlights and it sounds like Pickford did OK yesterday, if that's the case I'd make him number 1 from now on.

Certainly don't want to knock him at all as he's a young keeper, but he didn't do anything to suggest he's going to live up to the hype. Better with his kicking, didn't look commanding, didn't make a save which suggested he was agile (which we know he probably is because of reports and clips from Preston ) and got lucky with a few he parried. Had no chance with either goals, he didn't look particularly good or bad, had a reasonable game no more. Suggestions of being first choice on that evidence alone are f***ing ludicrous.

He may be the best keeper in the world but it wasn't in evidence yesterday.
 

Pickford did more than OK, but we have had some flops do better in one game. Glad we have him, but there is nothing to suggest he is an immediate solution. Vito has never been great, but at his best he can be brilliant - it is how we get his level to stay near that peak is the challenge. Pants to my mind is a better and more consistent keeper, but lately has faded significantly, why and how permanently? I suspect he is away.
 
Well let me put it plainly like I did in the thread all the way through. Amazing that you cannot read this without me typing it again.

He had a poor first 50mins. He parried too much, was beaten easily twice and had to have it cleared off the line by defenders when it shouldn't have happened. No doubt he was poor. Not terrible, tragic or bad, but poor...first 50 mins. Never deviated from that statement. It's provable so. This does not mean I think he's shyte. It's perfectly possible to say someone starts a match poorly and finishes well. This does not equal me saying he is shit. Why some idiots want to make this the case is odd. In fact as the match went on, I said he had a good last 40 mins. Given those two periods, I think I ended the game in the same position as everyone else. He had a decent match. Was he 'outstanding'. No, certainly not. Was he terrible, no. The people like you come on and read a first 50 minute post and pile in saying 'ohh god you've written him off...new low' when I've done no such thing.

I don't believe I have deviated from this view in the entirety of this thread. Just because you tried to have a go at me claiming I think he's shit when I have not claimed that. You judged me far more that I have judged Pickford. So now I have explained exactly what I have said all through this thread you might be able to stop making fantasy battles up in your head about what I might have said or planned as oppose to what I have actually said.



You think its bollocks he had a decent game? Because that has been my opinion all the way through.

Yes, I am irritated that people read a post at 50 minutes and thought that I had written him off, when even if that was a full time post...which it wasn't I still hadn't written him off.

It is annoying that people like you have assumed what is not written and ignored what is written. I stand by my 50 minute post. He had been poor up to that point. He made his first real save just after that. If you read the thread I note that also... and it was a good save. Then he went on to have a decent last 40 mins.

None of this is outrageous. observing that he was poor first 50 does not equal me 'qriting him off' nor does it mean I think he's shit.

It is extremely annoying that there are plenty enough fools who believe what they want to instead of what is said.

I've read everything you said you f***ing buck trumpet and understood it. The only fool in here is you, just read back all the shit you've posted.
 
Just watched his post match interview on SAFSee.

Seems like a really nice genuine lad. It must be surreal for him - making his first team debut for his home team against Arsenal at the Emirates. It's a massive deal and he did himself a great credit.

First time I've saw him in action today. Not a lot he could do about the goals to be fair and as a keeper, you're only as good as your defenders - and they left him exposed too many times unfortunately. He made a few decent stops and isn't afraid to have shout at his defence when they are left wanting.

He looks a great prospect regardless of what the some of the 'experts' on here say.

He'll need some media training methinks. Reminded me of watching Wayne Rooney's first pressers when he first was thrust into the limelight.

:)

What a load of shite. Let him talk how he wants to talk.
 
Certainly don't want to knock him at all as he's a young keeper, but he didn't do anything to suggest he's going to live up to the hype. Better with his kicking, didn't look commanding, didn't make a save which suggested he was agile (which we know he probably is because of reports and clips from Preston ) and got lucky with a few he parried. Had no chance with either goals, he didn't look particularly good or bad, had a reasonable game no more. Suggestions of being first choice on that evidence alone are f***ing ludicrous.

He may be the best keeper in the world but it wasn't in evidence yesterday.

Ideally I'd like us to wait until next season before making Pickford number 1 but I don't have any faith whatsoever in Pantilimon or Mannone and going off some of his comments in the last couple of weeks I don't think Allardyce does either.
 
He's been less than average today. Most of his saves have been straight at him. Parried and punched too much. Been saved on the goal line behind him having missed two routine saves.

He's done alright for a youngster. Tough game to debut, poor defending for his conceded goals but he's not nearly as good as we hoped.

You watched a different game to most of us
 
Ideally I'd like us to wait until next season before making Pickford number 1 but I don't have any faith whatsoever in Pantilimon or Mannone and going off some of his comments in the last couple of weeks I don't think Allardyce does either.

Re: allardyce I don't either. Going off Allardyce's comments I wouldn't be suprise to see pickford soon. I haven't seen enough of the lad to comment, just the odd save, yesterday and England un20 games, With the odd highlight here and there, but I think on that little evidences he's a little way off being a pl keeper. Maybe he thinks he'll get him there and get more out of him than the others? No idea. I just think he can mess around with the keepers as much as he likes at the moment, not a lot will change until we stop making it easy for other teams and I'm not confident in pickford enough to see him thrown in and especially into that team.
 
I saw a change in our forwards after a 10/20 minutes because of his amazing distribution. At first, when they were waiting for his kick outs, they were just hanging about as normal. After a few balls from him opened possibilities, what with them mostly landing on Sunderland heads, they woke up a bit.
Almost every ball went to Sunderland player. I wouldn't be surprised if he has the best pass completion stats from the game.
 
Just watched his post match interview on SAFSee.

Seems like a really nice genuine lad. It must be surreal for him - making his first team debut for his home team against Arsenal at the Emirates. It's a massive deal and he did himself a great credit.

First time I've saw him in action today. Not a lot he could do about the goals to be fair and as a keeper, you're only as good as your defenders - and they left him exposed too many times unfortunately. He made a few decent stops and isn't afraid to have shout at his defence when they are left wanting.

He looks a great prospect regardless of what the some of the 'experts' on here say.

He'll need some media training methinks. Reminded me of watching Wayne Rooney's first pressers when he first was thrust into the limelight.

:)
Aye mate, how he talks is the most important thing.

I despair at some on here
 
I'm not buying this lucky with his parries thing. It would have been hugely unlucky had it went straight on to Campbell's head. Pickford done everything right on that occasion. It's the way of the Sunderland fan to be glass half empty admittedly.
 
I'd send him back to Preston until the end of the season if we don't peddle Pants. he did alright yesterday but do we really want to chuck the lad right in the deep end in the midst of a relegation battle. half a season behind these clowns at the back might scar him for life :lol: I'd stick with Vito for the time being, he's done alrite the last few games.
 
Well done you for googling shit... sadly you just expose yourself as knowing nowt and not being there.

Most of us saw him...or didn't because it was a fuckin pea souper, at Roker Park a few days after this on his home debut when we beat Grimsby 1-0....although that could still be a lie because I never saw the goal, but I remember this kid standing up when the opposition striker was through on goal and he stood up long and moved forward and was commanding and decisive and we all spoke about him...saying...'who's this kid'. He was excellent that night and went on being so; but you try googling any of that shyte.

Nah forget it. Clown.

Shay given was a canny keeper for us at a different time in a different league, its a different ball game today for keepers.

I spoke to Simon Smith a couple of years ago about Given and the state of the game for keepers how things have changed, the bloke really knows his stuff, to sum up keepers have to be just as good with there feet as there hands and the way keepers play the game is very different to 20 years ago.

You had ago because you know nothing about keepers, that's not your fault most people don't.

So to make it simple for you, he had a canny game and did enough imo to be our understudy I would have no problems seeing him come in when needed, he is too good to be 3rd choice imo. I saw a lot of things that gives me hope, he didn't look out of place, position sense was good, kicking was fantastic compared to what we have seen last few years.

He has been given the chance to prove himself now, the one thing he has on his side is time, keepers tend to grow in to themselves later than outfield players, look at that mag keeper the other day, forget his name, came in due to injury and looked like a rabbit in headlights, even though he made some good saves he looked sacred to death and he is 25.

No reason to knock Pickford and no reason to make him out to be the best keeper in the world either.

Solid debut, looking forward to seeing him more.
 
Did well. Couldn't do anything about the goals. Really glad we've got a local lad pushing for a first team spot. He'll be number one next season imo no matter which league we're in.
 
I reckon Sam will sell Pantilimon this month to free up a sizeable few bob on the wage bill to give him more scope in th transfer market to buy a striker. Sam knows Mannone can do a job & after yesterday he now knows Pickford can be his able deputy.
 
Tbf, it was his debut, away to arsenal. Let's not get too excited but also not too judgemental. It is one game. His first for us.

I work in Preston most weeks and with many ST holders. They all rave about him and we're gutted he's gone.
Everyone I've spoke to who watches him regularly has been full of praise and said he has a future
 
As someone that doesn't really care where the playing staff are from, I think:

Pickford did fine, but he wasn't Lev Yashin like some people on this thread would have you believe. Most of his saves were regulation stuff and I was amazed reading the match thread people were saying stuff like 'great save' when commenting on shots with little power that went straight at him.

He did make one smart save in the second half when he rushed off the line and closed down the angle, but apart from that he just did everything one would expect a goalkeeper to do. I mean, come on, if he let in any of those shots it would have been a Rob Green vs USA style blooper!
 
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