Parkys previous League 1 promotions

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Try and talk to fans outside of the online community and you'll find that many were actually quite pleased with a proven promotion winner, and more than happy to give him a chance.
Got to agree at the moment the footy isn't the best but looking to be in the mix. If by Christmas we are struggling to keep pace with the top 2 then ask questions not after our first defeat in the league 7 games in
 
Why on earth should Sunderland in the third tier for the 3rd consecutive year be in any position to win a league by a mile and why would you expect Colchester and Bolton too. This is part of the problem the belief that because we are Sunderland we should be pissing all over everyone. It’s a load of bollocks

A club the size of ours and resources we have, we really should have and should be pissing all over this division.
 
Got to agree at the moment the footy isn't the best but looking to be in the mix. If by Christmas we are struggling to keep pace with the top 2 then ask questions not after our first defeat in the league 7 games in

We'll be in or around the top two by Christmas, 100%. We've had the toughest start of any team but we're very well placed to kick on now.
 
Got to agree at the moment the footy isn't the best but looking to be in the mix. If by Christmas we are struggling to keep pace with the top 2 then ask questions not after our first defeat in the league 7 games in

I agree to some extent the problem for me tho is that every year we seem to be playing worse and the team seems to get weeker , even tho we have been winning a just havnt been convinced with the way we are playing and then when we do shout about it at Xmas like u said it’s to late and we have to spend another season down here , can’t ever seeing Parkinson getting us promoted ,
Playoffs are best bet and that’s a lottery unless we get a few more creative players and a half decent striker
 
I dont know a fan of ours that wanted him

Very few fans knew about managers in the lower divisions, because we had been used to higher level football for so long. The media essentially told everyone that it was between Ainsworth and Phillips, so people were certainly surprised by Parkinson but that shouldn't be taken as disappointment, or that they wouldn't have wanted him.
 
Surely a better indicator would be how often those points totals would win promotion in the past say 15 season as opposed to picking one season

18/19 - 94,91
17/18 - 98,96
16/17 - 100, 86 (Parkys Bolton)
15/16 - 87, 85
14/15 - 99, 91
13/14 - 103, 94
12/13 - 84, 83
11/12 - 101, 93
10/11 - 95, 92
09/10 - 95, 86
08/09 - 96, 89
 
I agree to some extent the problem for me tho is that every year we seem to be playing worse and the team seems to get weeker , even tho we have been winning a just havnt been convinced with the way we are playing and then when we do shout about it at Xmas like u said it’s to late and we have to spend another season down here , can’t ever seeing Parkinson getting us promoted ,
Playoffs are best bet and that’s a lottery unless we get a few more creative players and a half decent striker
The biggest problem is the owner gambled big by letting Maja go and paying over the odds for Grigg backing us to go straight back up since then it's hamstrung us financially as the owner then didn't have the money to fund enough quality last season and this
 
Good God. There are valid reasons to criticise him. Pretending that all of his promotions were bad promotions is ridiculous.

He took Colchester into the Championship, having secured their highest ever league position, even though they were the smallest club in League One. It was the equivalent of getting Accrington Stanley promoted this season.

He took Bolton up even though they had nearly gone under, they weren't allowed to sign any players other than free transfers, and they were the only team in the Division operating under a wage cap. He kept them up the next season, relegating us in the process, the season after we had been in the Premier League.

He not only got Bradford promoted, he got them to the League Cup Final while in League 2, the Fa Cup Quarters beating Chelsea and us, and into the League One playoffs.

There have been places he has done poorly - Hull and Charlton - but I doubt any of the fans of any of the clubs you mention give a flying fuck how many points they got in their promotion winning seasons. It's completely irrelevant.
It’s relavent when people are saying we’re absolutely shite to watch and are sick of scraping wins. I’m just showing that it is his blueprint and to expect anything to change would be naive.
18/19 - 94,91
17/18 - 98,96
16/17 - 100, 86 (Parkys Bolton)
15/16 - 87, 85
14/15 - 99, 91
13/14 - 103, 94
12/13 - 84, 83
11/12 - 101, 93
10/11 - 95, 92
09/10 - 95, 86
08/09 - 96, 89

^ Points of first and second side each season.
 
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18/19 - 94,91
17/18 - 98,96
16/17 - 100, 86 (Parkys Bolton)
15/16 - 87, 85
14/15 - 99, 91
13/14 - 103, 94
12/13 - 84, 83
11/12 - 101, 93
10/11 - 95, 92
09/10 - 95, 86
08/09 - 96, 89
So depending on GD we have a manager that would have achieved automatic promotion 4 times out of the last 15 seasons 09/10 12/13 15/16 & 16/17.
That seems canny enough odds to me
 
So depending on GD we have a manager that would have achieved automatic promotion 4 times out of the last 15 seasons 09/10 12/13 15/16 & 16/17.
That seems canny enough odds to me
Leeds were 86 points but with a 1 better GD that year. So only 12/13, 15/16 and 16/17.

Are you being sarcastic about that being canny odds?
 
Colchester United
Finished 2nd place
Points: 79
GD: +18
GF: 58
GA: 40

In 18/19 good enough for 6th place

Bolton Wanderers
Finished 2nd place
Points: 86
GD: +32
GF: 68
GA: 36

In 18/19 good enough for 5th place

Sunderland AFC 18/19 under Jack Ross
Finished 5th ace
Points: 85
GD: +33
GF: 80
GA: 47

Point here is that Parkinson has never been able to lead to team to hammer a division to secure promotion. His teams simply don’t score the goals and his two automatic promotions have taken advantage of a lower total needed. This is our blueprint for the season and surely is a concern? I’ve included his Bradford promotion that also supports this.

I’ve also included his Bradford City promotion below.

Bradford City
Finished 7th place
Points: 69
GD: +11
GF: 63
GA: 52

Good enough for 11th place in 18/19.

An interesting post with a good bit of context. I wasn't for one minute in favour of appointing Parkinson, but I'm still not convinced that his sacking will guarantee us a better season. Is this squad full of creativity that is being stifled by Parkinson? Is it a squad capable of 100 points?

Though I'm far from convinced by Parkinson, I think we're capable of somewhere around the 92 point mark. Whether that's enough this season or not, I don't know.

When you are in League one, sacked one manager for being 5th in the league, sack another after his first defeat of the season and are in talks over a takeover, is there a good manager who can be appointed for the long term?
 
An interesting post with a good bit of context. I wasn't for one minute in favour of appointing Parkinson, but I'm still not convinced that his sacking will guarantee us a better season. Is this squad full of creativity that is being stifled by Parkinson? Is it a squad capable of 100 points?

Though I'm far from convinced by Parkinson, I think we're capable of somewhere around the 92 point mark. Whether that's enough this season or not, I don't know.

When you are in League one, sacked one manager for being 5th in the league, sack another after his first defeat of the season and are in talks over a takeover, is there a good manager who can be appointed for the long term?
I’m not saying to sack him just looking at his success in the league it has been defensive and low scoring with abit of luck on the points total. People are expecting us to blast through teams because we’re creating chances in 1-0s against Crewe but it’s going to be a tight season imo.

We’ve made our bed at this point imo and could only see some horrific appointment like Richard Hill if we sacked Parkinson.
 
He won’t get us anywhere near promotion, he’s shite.
He might because the squad really is good enough to go up on autopilot. The issue is what’s the point in keeping him around if we want to finish higher than bottom in the championship. The whole Parkinson era will be remembered as a dull, turgid, utter waste of time and our lives as fans. In fact that’s a charge I’d level at the whole Donald era.
 
Very few fans knew about managers in the lower divisions, because we had been used to higher level football for so long. The media essentially told everyone that it was between Ainsworth and Phillips, so people were certainly surprised by Parkinson but that shouldn't be taken as disappointment, or that they wouldn't have wanted him.
He wasn't wanted. I've yet to speak to anyone who wanted him.
 
Leeds were 86 points but with a 1 better GD that year. So only 12/13, 15/16 and 16/17.

Are you being sarcastic about that being canny odds?
Not being sarcastic at all would you not consider anyone unless they had a points total that would show they are capable of getting 90 points minimum at this level?
Because I have said this before I honestly don't think we are an attractive prospect as a club to potential managers
 
Not being sarcastic at all would you not consider anyone unless they had a points total that would show they are capable of getting 90 points minimum at this level?
Because I have said this before I honestly don't think we are an attractive prospect as a club to potential managers

Not so much the points but I personally would have only considered someone with an attacking mentality and a reputation for developing young players.
 
He wasn't wanted. I've yet to speak to anyone who wanted him.
I posted something the other day about this. He was the cheap “he will get us up “ pick for that complete wanker of a chairman we have and his total f***ing door hinge of a side kick .

They hoped for a cheap promotion and then flip us for a profit . Hope we bankrupt the fuckers
 
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