Parky in or out


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I appreciate this is tedious .

I’m detecting a split on this board on parky .

me Out

it ain't simple.

I don’t like Phil Parkinson. I didn’t want him appointed. In particular I don’t like the recruitment, especially in the all important striker area - O’Brien & Graham. Only signing that’s been successful is Bailey. Scowen - may be a small improvement. Lots crowding up the physio room. What really gets me is his refusal to play our promising young players, or give them a chance as subs. Only Diamond has been on the bench, and only when there's space because other 'senior pros' are out.

I wouldn't appoint him if there was vacancy tomorrow. But should we sack him now?

Make no mistake, the options for a new manager will be as limited as last time. There could hardly be a 'new manager bounce'. Win a few games? We're doing that already!!! Probably the other way round, as players need time to adjust to new methods. And any new manager would be working with the same squad, a squad built for Parkinson's 3 at the back + wingbacks. A new manager would have the same 'glittering' options up front.

There will be hardly any signings in January. Even if a multibillionaire buys us out, what could he do? We are very close to wage cap, (we'd be miles over it if the wages of players under contract before August counted their full amount and not just the £1.7kpw average). So we can't buy without selling. And we can't sell, because no other club in this league could match the wages our players are actually on, not with their wage cap. If anything we could lose Denver Hume, possible O9. And they'd have to replaced with players on £1.7kpw or less.

PP has us 4th in the table by points per game, and the current 2.1 ppg rate would almost certainly give us automatic promotion if we can maintain it. xG stats show it is not luck. We are usually good defensively, despite a mediocre keeper.

Going up is by no means a certainty, but we do stand a good chance of achieving it this season under PP. So (holding my nose) keep him.

PP in. At least until the end of the season, or this season goes wrong so that promotion is not feasible.
 
I’d prefer a who would you replace him with poll.
it ain't simple.

I don’t like Phil Parkinson. I didn’t want him appointed. In particular I don’t like the recruitment, especially in the all important striker area - O’Brien & Graham. Only signing that’s been successful is Bailey. Scowen - may be a small improvement. Lots crowding up the physio room. What really gets me is his refusal to play our promising young players, or give them a chance as subs. Only Diamond has been on the bench, and only when there's space because other 'senior pros' are out.

I wouldn't appoint him if there was vacancy tomorrow. But should we sack him now?

Make no mistake, the options for a new manager will be as limited as last time. There could hardly be a 'new manager bounce'. Win a few games? We're doing that already!!! Probably the other way round, as players need time to adjust to new methods. And any new manager would be working with the same squad, a squad built for Parkinson's 3 at the back + wingbacks. A new manager would have the same 'glittering' options up front.

There will be hardly any signings in January. Even if a multibillionaire buys us out, what could he do? We are very close to wage cap, (we'd be miles over it if the wages of players under contract before August counted their full amount and not just the £1.7kpw average). So we can't buy without selling. And we can't sell, because no other club in this league could match the wages our players are actually on, not with their wage cap. If anything we could lose Denver Hume, possible O9. And they'd have to replaced with players on £1.7kpw or less.

PP has us 4th in the table by points per game, and the current 2.1 ppg rate would almost certainly give us automatic promotion if we can maintain it. xG stats show it is not luck. We are usually good defensively, despite a mediocre keeper.

Going up is by no means a certainty, but we do stand a good chance of achieving it this season under PP. So (holding my nose) keep him.

PP in. At least until the end of the season, or this season goes wrong so that promotion is not feasible.

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it ain't simple.

I don’t like Phil Parkinson. I didn’t want him appointed. In particular I don’t like the recruitment, especially in the all important striker area - O’Brien & Graham. Only signing that’s been successful is Bailey. Scowen - may be a small improvement. Lots crowding up the physio room. What really gets me is his refusal to play our promising young players, or give them a chance as subs. Only Diamond has been on the bench, and only when there's space because other 'senior pros' are out.

I wouldn't appoint him if there was vacancy tomorrow. But should we sack him now?

Make no mistake, the options for a new manager will be as limited as last time. There could hardly be a 'new manager bounce'. Win a few games? We're doing that already!!! Probably the other way round, as players need time to adjust to new methods. And any new manager would be working with the same squad, a squad built for Parkinson's 3 at the back + wingbacks. A new manager would have the same 'glittering' options up front.

There will be hardly any signings in January. Even if a multibillionaire buys us out, what could he do? We are very close to wage cap, (we'd be miles over it if the wages of players under contract before August counted their full amount and not just the £1.7kpw average). So we can't buy without selling. And we can't sell, because no other club in this league could match the wages our players are actually on, not with their wage cap. If anything we could lose Denver Hume, possible O9. And they'd have to replaced with players on £1.7kpw or less.

PP has us 4th in the table by points per game, and the current 2.1 ppg rate would almost certainly give us automatic promotion if we can maintain it. xG stats show it is not luck. We are usually good defensively, despite a mediocre keeper.

Going up is by no means a certainty, but we do stand a good chance of achieving it this season under PP. So (holding my nose) keep him.

PP in. At least until the end of the season, or this season goes wrong so that promotion is not feasible.
Largely agree. There are better managers readily available. Whether it’s worth the potential for instability while we keep ticking on is another matter, though. He keeps the job till the team falter for me.
 
Didn’t want him when he was appointed, haven’t wanted him at any point over the last year, don’t want him now.

Out
 
it ain't simple.

I don’t like Phil Parkinson. I didn’t want him appointed. In particular I don’t like the recruitment, especially in the all important striker area - O’Brien & Graham. Only signing that’s been successful is Bailey. Scowen - may be a small improvement. Lots crowding up the physio room. What really gets me is his refusal to play our promising young players, or give them a chance as subs. Only Diamond has been on the bench, and only when there's space because other 'senior pros' are out.

I wouldn't appoint him if there was vacancy tomorrow. But should we sack him now?

Make no mistake, the options for a new manager will be as limited as last time. There could hardly be a 'new manager bounce'. Win a few games? We're doing that already!!! Probably the other way round, as players need time to adjust to new methods. And any new manager would be working with the same squad, a squad built for Parkinson's 3 at the back + wingbacks. A new manager would have the same 'glittering' options up front.

There will be hardly any signings in January. Even if a multibillionaire buys us out, what could he do? We are very close to wage cap, (we'd be miles over it if the wages of players under contract before August counted their full amount and not just the £1.7kpw average). So we can't buy without selling. And we can't sell, because no other club in this league could match the wages our players are actually on, not with their wage cap. If anything we could lose Denver Hume, possible O9. And they'd have to replaced with players on £1.7kpw or less.

PP has us 4th in the table by points per game, and the current 2.1 ppg rate would almost certainly give us automatic promotion if we can maintain it. xG stats show it is not luck. We are usually good defensively, despite a mediocre keeper.

Going up is by no means a certainty, but we do stand a good chance of achieving it this season under PP. So (holding my nose) keep him.

PP in. At least until the end of the season, or this season goes wrong so that promotion is not feasible.
Again it’s the only answer at this moment in time
 
Better to ask if/when we get new owners. It's a waste of time, including mine replying to you.
Better question to ask is; "who would we want as manager if a new owner has a 50 million war chest to get us back at the top of the championship?"

This, until Donald has gone and we clear the decks with Jim Rodwell etc Parky isn't even our biggest problem.

Let's keep all the heat on the owners, Parky is dull as dish water and watching his "football" is like sticking hot pins in your eyes, but we just need to hope he keeps accumulating league points until the ownership changes.
 
It’s a tricky one but until / unless there’s a change in ownership he’s going nowhere.

Imagining new owners are appointed in December do we stick or twist?

I‘ve nothing against Parkinson as a bloke, he’s worked in some incredibly difficult circumstances recently and as others point out this season we remain on track to achieve the 2 points per game that, if maintained over a season, guarantees promotion.

Rather than focus purely on points achieved/ expected I prefer looking at performances and consider “Is it likely we will maintain this over a season“?

To be honest I just can’t see it. Yes a season has its ups and downs and the old saying that luck evens itself out over the course but we’ve had some real good fortune of late.

Will Wyke maintain his goal scoring form and if he doesn’t do we see Graham, Grigg or O’Brien providing viable alternatives to turn to for goals?

Parkinson has us playing .... functional football which although painful at times to watch has been fairly effective, however, and this is the crux for me, despite the old 2 points per game mantra, we’ve never been consistently in the top two at any time in his tenure at the club.

Call it unrealistic but for me the aim of any manager of Sunderland while they languish in Division 3, is to have the side regularly in the top 2. Yes I’d accept an occasional lapse but the majority of the season I’d hope the side to be top two and also playing with a swagger and attacking philosophy.

To preserve with Parkinson it seems we’re accepting:

1. We hope to stay in and around the top 6 and gamble we might get promoted through the playoffs (we’re heading for December and yet to feature in the top 2 this season).

2. We’re going to achieve that playing attritional football that won’t excite anyone but might just get the job done.

If new owners identify the right man who can galvanise the squad, enthuse the fan base and maybe add something in January with some creative work around the salary cap maybe, just maybe we can win this league playing the sort of football that truly make us long to be allowed back into the sol.
 
I suspect he won't survive the change of ownership. Those taking a stake in the club are not doing it in order to keep the status quo.

Parky is a decent bloke under intense pressure and I am not a fan of the personal attacks on him but I dont think he is the long term future of the club either.

He has ballsed up two transfer windows and I think he knows that, however at the same time he has really galvanised the attitude in the squad from what was a poisened pit. Even if in post come January he wont be the leading voice.

I don't agree with his team selections but I can understand them, especially in terms of keeping a group of players content day to day. He obviously errs on the side of caution and it is shit to watch at times but stats wise the team are pretty much the best performers in the division.

His position is perilous and he is hanging on to his job by a thread, if we had 3 or 4 less points he would be gone but while the takeover rumbles on and he is picking up 2 pts a game then upsetting the apple cart would be risky. Not least because if the takeover goes through we may be able to go in an entirely different direction than sticking another similar kind of guy in post.

So for me. The first thing to happen is the "takeover" that offers a new dimesnion to the process. If it fails to happen we should get behind him while he is here and we are within 5 or 6 points off top. If the gap grows the board will pull the trigger anyway.
 
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