Parky in or out


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Its been like this throughout history. When Durban was here we had a good side in the top division, not the most exciting but mixing it with the best. Even then there was a strong cohort wanted him out and even though everyone looks back and says what a disgrace it was at the time there wasn't a great deal of kicking off when he was sacked. Some supporters in every era are just mental.

do you genuinely think there is no reason to think he should go or that we could do better? you’re in a small minority if so.

for what it’s worth I think you’ve gone completely overboard the other way trying to defend him.

not a chance in hell of him seeing this through and getting us promoted. The wheels have already started to wobble, they’ll be off completely soon.
 
do you genuinely think there is no reason to think he should go or that we could do better? you’re in a small minority if so.

for what it’s worth I think you’ve gone completely overboard the other way trying to defend him.

not a chance in hell of him seeing this through and getting us promoted. The wheels have already started to wobble, they’ll be off completely soon.

Fair point :lol: All I have done really is continually repeat our points achieved under Parkinson this season and this whole year because they are very good. I do this because they are clear facts that he is performing well in terms of league performance over some time and because its counteracts the way over the top criticism that he gets. I repeat - calls for him to be sacked at this moment in time are absolutely stupid and it would never happen while we have lost 1 game all season and 4 in 25. We could lose the next 2 or 3 and suddenly it becomes a more reasonable debate to have.
 
I appreciate this is tedious .

I’m detecting a split on this board on parky .

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As always it depends on what the options are. I wouldn’t ditch him now for the wrong replacement or take a huge gamble, though all replacements are gambles but I would for the right one who can balance the team better - and I think we need a DOF and good quality recruitment team as much as the manager. So Haway the takeover.
 
All PL teams aren’t level every league has strong teams why can’t we be the strongest in L1 ? Why can’t PP aspire to that instead of dampening down expectations ? Got fuck all to do with what league you are in wanting to be the team to be feared in that league

We're the team everybody wants to beat and with no money to buy better players than the rest of the teams, we're just relying on the manager to find better free players than other managers in the same league.

Thus far, in spite of it not being pretty, Parky is doing that as well as can be expected, given what he has to play with.
Every team in this division is equal: were just a little more equal than most of the rest.
 
Fair point :lol: All I have done really is continually repeat our points achieved under Parkinson this season and this whole year because they are very good. I do this because they are clear facts that he is performing well in terms of league performance over some time and because its counteracts the way over the top criticism that he gets. I repeat - calls for him to be sacked at this moment in time are absolutely stupid and it would never happen while we have lost 1 game all season and 4 in 25. We could lose the next 2 or 3 and suddenly it becomes a more reasonable debate to have.

I think ignoring performances, especially when the weaknesses are this obvious and persistent, is a recipe for disaster.

one injury to Wright and we are fucked. His entire plan is based on him playing and keeping clean sheets. When he got injured last season it all fell apart.

his initial record here was awful, he’s figured out a way to get narrow wins and has had a boat load of luck. It’s a matter of time before we slump again IMO.

he won’t be sacked but that’s a mistake long term.
 
I never wanted him in and haven’t changed my mind. I am not in the slightest bit surprised at the ’football’ we are seeing.

He has an impressive CV though.
 
I think ignoring performances, especially when the weaknesses are this obvious and persistent, is a recipe for disaster.

one injury to Wright and we are fucked. His entire plan is based on him playing and keeping clean sheets. When he got injured last season it all fell apart.

his initial record here was awful, he’s figured out a way to get narrow wins and has had a boat load of luck. It’s a matter of time before we slump again IMO.

he won’t be sacked but that’s a mistake long term.

I agree with a tiny bit of that. We haven't ever lost a game when his first choice back 3 have played, not once but we do look vulnerable when one or more of them are out. two are out thins weekend be interesting how we go. So I do accept there are concerns but I don't agree that over a period of 25 games you can throw it down to luck. If things do start to go tits up as you are certain they will then is the time to have the debate IMO.
 
GTFO!

Defensive long ball bollocks...players out of position..don't forget Hume is a LW player Gooch is RW....the list goes on. He's got Onien at RWB ffs it's ridiculous!

Players are being played out of position all across the team! Fuck the results, we've been lucky so far and My Wyke has kept us in it.

We don't need 3 CBs Phil ya bastad ye

442!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

gunt!
 
We're the team everybody wants to beat and with no money to buy better players than the rest of the teams, we're just relying on the manager to find better free players than other managers in the same league.

Thus far, in spite of it not being pretty, Parky is doing that as well as can be expected, given what he has to play with.
Every team in this division is equal: were just a little more equal than most of the rest.
When he insisted on spaffing upwards of £10k p/w on the dreadful O'Brien and Graham - and they still can't get past Wyke - that is just nonsense.
 
When he insisted on spaffing upwards of £10k p/w on the dreadful O'Brien and Graham - and they still can't get past Wyke - that is just nonsense.
Graham, I agree with, but most, (or at least, most of those who had heard of him), were looking forward to O'brien playing for us. The fact that he has completely fallen apart is a different story. I'm not convinced that he's a bad player: I just think he's bereft of any confidence and he's totally crumbled which is precisely what we don't need in a footballer.
 
It's better than Ross in pretty much every way, never mind just mathematically.
Apart from the one thing that actually matters tbf (league position). He's never had us as high as Ross did once or twice has he? Only saying that to provide much-needed context. I thought Ross was poor - probably worse than Parky. However, despite this season's league one being the worst lowest quality we've had to endure (IMO) Parky hasn't managed to get us in the promotion spots yet - despite his ppg rate. Basically, concerns are perfectly fair. He is yet to convince. Wouldn't do anything yet, though, for sure.
 
wouldn't care if he left but think whilst we're near the top and there's going to be little in the way of transfer activity we should persist for now
 
Thanks for asking in such a polite manner. Nice to see a bit of civility on this forum for a change. :D

I have a number of reasons for thinking we should be keeping him on right now. (I'm open to changing my mind later depending on results in future matches but we're talking about this moment in time).

Firstly, his record so far in the league this season is excellent, regardless of how you might feel about the style of football on show. What kind of message would it send out to other managers if we were willing to sack someone who's averaging more than 2 points per game, four points off top with a game in hand after a quarter of the season?

Secondly, he's been working on a shoestring budget so far. Compare the millions of pounds spent on players under Jack Ross with the pittance spent by Phil Parkinson. And yet he's never complained about it. If we're going to be sustainable long-term rather than funded by a sugar daddy then we'll need someone capable of getting results with meagre resources, and if we were to get new owners willing to spunk money up the wall then I'd like to give him a chance to actually spend some money and see what kind of team he'd want to build if funded properly.

Something we should probably also take into account is that we're supposedly on the verge of a takeover. This has a couple of implications with regard to finding another manager after Parkinson:

- Getting rid right now would mean having to find a manager willing to take us on, knowing that the purse strings are virtually closed and he may well find himself out on his ear again in a matter of days/weeks/months due to new owners wanting a change.

- After paying off Parkinson there would likely be even less money in the budget available for paying a manager's wages. We're highly unlikely to find someone with a higher profile than Parkinson willing to come for less money than we're paying him.

Talking purely about these last few points, we've seen repeatedly over the past five years or so how the #AnyoneButTheCurrentBloke mentality can bite us on the arse. I don't think it is a good time to be rolling those dice again when we're in a period of uncertainty regarding club ownership.

If we were taken over by rich new owners tomorrow and the question became "Parkinson in or out under the new owners?" then I'd refer you to the first two points I made in this post and suggest that we gave him a January transfer window with a proper budget to see what he can do, and judge him again after three quarters of the season.

As for your final couple of questions:

Do I think we'd stand a chance in the Championship as it is? No. I would want to see significant changes to the playing squad in the Summer transfer window if we were promoted. Hopefully by then we will have been taken over by new owners and there will be money available to strengthen the squad. If not, then hopefully the pull of playing for a big club like ours will be enough to attract higher profile free transfers than the other teams in the division could manage. If we do get promoted despite the lack of spending, then Parkinson will have shown himself capable of operating under those kinds of financial constraints and should be given the chance to continue.

Do I think we have a sustainable type of football on display? For me, the style of football you can play depends on a couple of things: firstly the players you have available to you (you can't play tiki-taka with players who can't pass a ball accurately, you can't play target-man-focussed hoofball with a 5-foot-six slowcoach leading the line, etc.) and the mentality of your opposition towards you (if the opposition park all 11 men behind the ball then good luck trying to play through-balls or over-the-top balls for your players to chase, whereas if the opposition are pushing their back line forward then you'll have more space to break behind them). I doubt we'd have so many teams trying to frustrate us with the park-the-bus strategy from the first minute as we have had in League 1, so there'd be more scope to use other strategies ourselves.

Do I think we have a well-run youth setup? I could be wrong, but as far as I'm aware, Parkinson doesn't "run" the youth setup, nor does he even choose the people who do, so I'm not sure what relevance this has to the question of "Parky in or out". If we're talking about first team opportunities for youths or lack thereof, I think he's likely going about things in a balanced and sensible manner:

We're concentrating on the league this year and so first team opportunities in the league have been limited but he has given a number of youths a chance to impress in the cups.

In the league we've often had various younger players on the bench but have rarely been in a position in a match where it would be sensible or fair to bring on inexperienced players. The ideal situation there is for us to be up by at least two or three clear goals and looking comfortable by the time we're thinking about bringing on subs, so that there's less pressure on the players we bring on.

In the early stages of the transition from youth to first team, there needs to be an element of "kid gloves" treatment for a number of reasons: you don't want the kid getting down and demotivated if they don't make an instant impact, you don't want the fans to turn on the kid if he doesn't make an immediate impact, you don't want to risk the kid "burning out" by putting too much pressure on him, and you don't want him getting too big for his boots and have their agent start looking higher up than your club when it's time to negotiate a contract (see Maja).

Would I like to see more youths making the step up to first team football? Of course, but it can't be just for the sake of it. There has to be a sensible approach to it, and as far as I'm concerned Parkinson has been doing just about enough on that front under the circumstances we've found ourselves in, allowing chances when possible but without ever overstepping into the realms of over-reliance on youth.
I was a definite no until I read your war and piece thread, all of your points
made are very well explained and I am now a turncoat and agree with your doctrine are you up for his job then?
 
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