Parky in or out


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He never bigs up the first team. The only time the fucker attempted it was when he crowed about our fantastic defence !! We haven’t kept a clean sheet since that interview !! The guy has absolutely no positivity about this teams capability simply because he doesn’t know how his ‘favourites’ are going to play game to game. He doesn’t speak of us as a promotion team he would rather big up the toughness of every game to cover his arse against indifferent performances which he knows these players are more than capable of giving. The guy exudes no confidence
Regardless of that, we currently have the 3rd best PPG in the division (I wonder what way we would vote if they want to curtail the season in March again) and a chance to go 2nd on Saturday.

He could big up MK Dons to win the league before Saturday’s game for all I care as long as we are winning games. It’s a means to an end - we need to get promotion this season because of the salary cap, if that means keeping Parkinson’s ultra defensive footbore and sacking him early next season then I don’t really care. It’s the footballing equivalent of going home with the ugly lass because you’re desperate for a shag.
 
In obviously

Sacking the manager on the back of 4 defeats in 25. More than 2 points per game this season and 2 points per game throughout the whole calendar year. Not a single defeat when he gets his preferred 3 center backs on the pitch. Sacking him now would be ludicrous and rightly make us a laughing stock. Things can change quickly in football but as things stand today sacking him would be ridiculous. Adding in the fact that we have Donald in charge - people have this certainty that Parkinson would go and low and behold his replacement is a young, exciting manager who is dynamic, plays attacking football that also wins games with regularity. Why would you think that? Be careful what you wish for.
We are already a laughing stock with this turd as a manager .
 
Personally don't think you can sack a manager at the moment with his record this season. That said, I don't think he will maintain this as we have been playing poorly for quite a few games now and profited from sendings off and penalties. I also think his footballing philiosophy will be leading us nowhere. Ultimately, I can't wait for him to be replaced by someone with a more positive approach but I don't really think there are grounds to sack him at this moment.
 
If we win on Saturday ? This team just lost to Southampton kids !!! What could go wrong ?! What pisses me off is that our manager will big up MK Dons to cover his arse ! Sick of how he levels us up to all teams in L1

But we are level to them. We're a league one team with players we'd never have heard of, if we were still in the premier league. It doesn't matter where we've been, this is what and where we are now: level with f*cking MK Don's.
 
honest question fella, why?

do you think we stand a chance in the championship as it is? Do you think we have a sustainable type of football on display and a well run youth set up?

Thanks for asking in such a polite manner. Nice to see a bit of civility on this forum for a change. :D

I have a number of reasons for thinking we should be keeping him on right now. (I'm open to changing my mind later depending on results in future matches but we're talking about this moment in time).

Firstly, his record so far in the league this season is excellent, regardless of how you might feel about the style of football on show. What kind of message would it send out to other managers if we were willing to sack someone who's averaging more than 2 points per game, four points off top with a game in hand after a quarter of the season?

Secondly, he's been working on a shoestring budget so far. Compare the millions of pounds spent on players under Jack Ross with the pittance spent by Phil Parkinson. And yet he's never complained about it. If we're going to be sustainable long-term rather than funded by a sugar daddy then we'll need someone capable of getting results with meagre resources, and if we were to get new owners willing to spunk money up the wall then I'd like to give him a chance to actually spend some money and see what kind of team he'd want to build if funded properly.

Something we should probably also take into account is that we're supposedly on the verge of a takeover. This has a couple of implications with regard to finding another manager after Parkinson:

- Getting rid right now would mean having to find a manager willing to take us on, knowing that the purse strings are virtually closed and he may well find himself out on his ear again in a matter of days/weeks/months due to new owners wanting a change.

- After paying off Parkinson there would likely be even less money in the budget available for paying a manager's wages. We're highly unlikely to find someone with a higher profile than Parkinson willing to come for less money than we're paying him.

Talking purely about these last few points, we've seen repeatedly over the past five years or so how the #AnyoneButTheCurrentBloke mentality can bite us on the arse. I don't think it is a good time to be rolling those dice again when we're in a period of uncertainty regarding club ownership.

If we were taken over by rich new owners tomorrow and the question became "Parkinson in or out under the new owners?" then I'd refer you to the first two points I made in this post and suggest that we gave him a January transfer window with a proper budget to see what he can do, and judge him again after three quarters of the season.

As for your final couple of questions:

Do I think we'd stand a chance in the Championship as it is? No. I would want to see significant changes to the playing squad in the Summer transfer window if we were promoted. Hopefully by then we will have been taken over by new owners and there will be money available to strengthen the squad. If not, then hopefully the pull of playing for a big club like ours will be enough to attract higher profile free transfers than the other teams in the division could manage. If we do get promoted despite the lack of spending, then Parkinson will have shown himself capable of operating under those kinds of financial constraints and should be given the chance to continue.

Do I think we have a sustainable type of football on display? For me, the style of football you can play depends on a couple of things: firstly the players you have available to you (you can't play tiki-taka with players who can't pass a ball accurately, you can't play target-man-focussed hoofball with a 5-foot-six slowcoach leading the line, etc.) and the mentality of your opposition towards you (if the opposition park all 11 men behind the ball then good luck trying to play through-balls or over-the-top balls for your players to chase, whereas if the opposition are pushing their back line forward then you'll have more space to break behind them). I doubt we'd have so many teams trying to frustrate us with the park-the-bus strategy from the first minute as we have had in League 1, so there'd be more scope to use other strategies ourselves.

Do I think we have a well-run youth setup? I could be wrong, but as far as I'm aware, Parkinson doesn't "run" the youth setup, nor does he even choose the people who do, so I'm not sure what relevance this has to the question of "Parky in or out". If we're talking about first team opportunities for youths or lack thereof, I think he's likely going about things in a balanced and sensible manner:

We're concentrating on the league this year and so first team opportunities in the league have been limited but he has given a number of youths a chance to impress in the cups.

In the league we've often had various younger players on the bench but have rarely been in a position in a match where it would be sensible or fair to bring on inexperienced players. The ideal situation there is for us to be up by at least two or three clear goals and looking comfortable by the time we're thinking about bringing on subs, so that there's less pressure on the players we bring on.

In the early stages of the transition from youth to first team, there needs to be an element of "kid gloves" treatment for a number of reasons: you don't want the kid getting down and demotivated if they don't make an instant impact, you don't want the fans to turn on the kid if he doesn't make an immediate impact, you don't want to risk the kid "burning out" by putting too much pressure on him, and you don't want him getting too big for his boots and have their agent start looking higher up than your club when it's time to negotiate a contract (see Maja).

Would I like to see more youths making the step up to first team football? Of course, but it can't be just for the sake of it. There has to be a sensible approach to it, and as far as I'm concerned Parkinson has been doing just about enough on that front under the circumstances we've found ourselves in, allowing chances when possible but without ever overstepping into the realms of over-reliance on youth.
 
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All depends on what happens with the ownership.

Get new ambitious owners I’d suspect they’d want their own man.

If the current owners linger on he’s going nowhere
 
Thanks for asking in such a polite manner. Nice to see a bit of civility on this forum for a change. :D

I have a number of reasons for thinking we should be keeping him on right now. (I'm open to changing my mind later depending on results in future matches but we're talking about this moment in time).

Firstly, his record so far in the league this season is excellent, regardless of how you might feel about the style of football on show. What kind of message would it send out to other managers if we were willing to sack someone who's averaging more than 2 points per game, four points off top with a game in hand after a quarter of the season?

Secondly, he's been working on a shoestring budget so far. Compare the millions of pounds spent on players under Jack Ross with the pittance spent by Phil Parkinson. And yet he's never complained about it. If we're going to be sustainable long-term rather than funded by a sugar daddy then we'll need someone capable of getting results with meagre resources, and if we were to get new owners willing to spunk money up the wall then I'd like to give him a chance to actually spend some money and see what kind of team he'd want to build if funded properly.

Something we should probably also take into account is that we're supposedly on the verge of a takeover. This has a couple of implications with regard to finding another manager after Parkinson:

- Getting rid right now would mean having to find a manager willing to take us on, knowing that the purse strings are virtually closed and he may well find himself out on his ear again in a matter of days/weeks/months due to new owners wanting a change.

- After paying off Parkinson there would likely be even less money in the budget available for paying a manager's wages. We're highly unlikely to find someone with a higher profile than Parkinson willing to come for less money than we're paying him.

Talking purely about these last few points, we've seen repeatedly over the past five years or so how the #AnyoneButTheCurrentBloke mentality can bite us on the arse. I don't think it is a good time to be rolling those dice again when we're in a period of uncertainty regarding club ownership.

If we were taken over by rich new owners tomorrow and the question became "Parkinson in or out under the new owners?" then I'd refer you to the first two points I made in this post and suggest that we gave him a January transfer window with a proper budget to see what he can do, and judge him again after three quarters of the season.

As for your final couple of questions:

Do I think we'd stand a chance in the Championship as it is? No. I would want to see significant changes to the playing squad in the Summer transfer window if we were promoted. Hopefully by then we will have been taken over by new owners and there will be money available to strengthen the squad. If not, then hopefully the pull of playing for a big club like ours will be enough to attract higher profile free transfers than the other teams in the division could manage. If we do get promoted despite the lack of spending, then Parkinson will have shown himself capable of operating under those kinds of financial constraints and should be given the chance to continue.

Do I think we have a sustainable type of football on display? For me, the style of football you can play depends on a couple of things: firstly the players you have available to you (you can't play tiki-taka with players who can't pass a ball accurately, you can't play target-man-focussed hoofball with a 5-foot-six slowcoach leading the line, etc.) and the mentality of your opposition towards you (if the opposition park all 11 men behind the ball then good luck trying to play through-balls or over-the-top balls for your players to chase, whereas if the opposition are pushing their back line forward then you'll have more space to break behind them). I doubt we'd have so many teams trying to frustrate us with the park-the-bus strategy from the first minute as we have had in League 1, so there'd be more scope to use other strategies ourselves.

Do I think we have a well-run youth setup? I could be wrong, but as far as I'm aware, Parkinson doesn't "run" the youth setup, nor does he even choose the people who do, so I'm not sure what relevance this has to the question of "Parky in or out". If we're talking about first team opportunities for youths or lack thereof, I think he's likely going about things in a balanced and sensible manner:

We're concentrating on the league this year and so first team opportunities in the league have been limited but he has given a number of youths a chance to impress in the cups.

In the league we've often had various younger players on the bench but have rarely been in a position in a match where it would be sensible or fair to bring on inexperienced players. The ideal situation there is for us to be up by at least two or three clear goals and looking comfortable by the time we're thinking about bringing on subs, so that there's less pressure on the players we bring on.

In the early stages of the transition from youth to first team, there needs to be an element of "kid gloves" treatment for a number of reasons: you don't want the kid getting down and demotivated if they don't make an instant impact, you don't want the fans to turn on the kid if he doesn't make an immediate impact, you don't want to risk the kid "burning out" by putting too much pressure on him, and you don't want him getting too big for his boots and have their agent start looking higher up than your club when it's time to negotiate a contract (see Maja).

Would I like to see more youths making the step up to first team football? Of course, but it can't be just for the sake of it. There has to be a sensible approach to it, and as far as I'm concerned Parkinson has been doing just about enough on that front under the circumstances we've found ourselves in, allowing chances when possible but without ever overstepping into the realms of over-reliance on youth.

Great post - however I find myself much more swayed by OUT cos its hoofball by a dinosaur and he winnit play the kids.
 
But we are level to them. We're a league one team with players we'd never have heard of, if we were still in the premier league. It doesn't matter where we've been, this is what and where we are now: level with f*cking MK Don's.
All PL teams aren’t level every league has strong teams why can’t we be the strongest in L1 ? Why can’t PP aspire to that instead of dampening down expectations ? Got fuck all to do with what league you are in wanting to be the team to be feared in that league
 
In.....the only barometer for success this season is promotion, it's as simple as that.

We have made a solid start to the season, (don't give a sh*t about any Cups this year), and are on course to challenge for promotion then everyone should stop the whinging and get behind PP and the team in order to help achieve this imo.
 
He never bigs up the first team. The only time the fucker attempted it was when he crowed about our fantastic defence !! We haven’t kept a clean sheet since that interview !! The guy has absolutely no positivity about this teams capability simply because he doesn’t know how his ‘favourites’ are going to play game to game. He doesn’t speak of us as a promotion team he would rather big up the toughness of every game to cover his arse against indifferent performances which he knows these players are more than capable of giving. The guy exudes no confidence

Hang on, you're criticising him for not bigging up the first team, while criticising the fact that the one time he did big up the defence has resulted in us failing to keep a clean sheet ever since?

Surely the latter is evidence for why he's doing the right thing by playing it humble instead of bragging about how great our players are and painting a target on our backs?
 
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