Parkinson Gone



Summerbee said:
His appointment was sensible on the face of it. He had a very high reputation at this level of the game and had even been in contact with a Championship club shortly before he came here.
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He might have had a high reputation but it was unwarranted. He’s been promoted twice in his entire career, neither of which as champions and only one in the automatic places. Before he joined us the biggest clubs he managed were Hull and Charlton.

And despite being deemed an utter failure here and leaving us 8th in the league, 1 point ahead of Accrington Stanley having played 2 more games, his win rate here is higher than it has been at any club since Colchester.

That’s not exactly the caliber of manager you appoint for a team looking for automatic promotion.
 
Mickdundee said:
He might have had a high reputation but it was unwarranted. He’s been promoted twice in his entire career, neither of which as champions and only one in the automatic places. Before he joined us the biggest clubs he managed were Hull and Charlton.

And despite being deemed an utter failure here and leaving us 8th in the league, 1 point ahead of Accrington Stanley having played 2 more games, his win rate here is higher than it has been at any club since Colchester.

That’s not exactly the caliber of manager you appoint for a team looking for automatic promotion.
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Did you know every team Parky as managed as improved in terms of goals scored, points total and league position the season after he left.

(Not including Bolton, obvious basket case)
 
Summerbee said:
It was sensible in the sense that if you run a business and you want someone to achieve an objective, you hire someone who has experience of achieving that objective and if possible, who has done it more than once. You can't blame those that adopted that thinking, because any responsible business owner in any industry would think the same way. The blame lies with Parkinson for failing to deliver on comfortable backing, but the job was never going to be easy for anyone.
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Charlie, I think the main flaw in the logic is, football is not like any other industry. When it comes to football on the pitch, there is no such thing as a tried and tested formula that fits all clubs. There is a little bit of daftness needed as Cloughy would say. You also need to take into consideration multiple variables:
1- What kind of character does it take to succeed up here, look back at history, big characters Reid, MM, Keane, BSA etc.
2- Given the reputation of the club, what profile is going to match? Hiring an inexperienced manager isn't necessarily an issue if it's the right profile, see Gerrard at Rangers, Lampard , Howe at Bournmeouth at Lower level.
3- PP achieved promotion from this division twice in like what, 13 years was it? If he was such a sure thing, how come other clubs in the championship didnt fall over themselves for him? Because they understand football.
4- The fact that SD would apply the same logic amd reasoning behind hiring a manager in other businesses to a football club manager is f***ing insane and shows again, he knows nothing about football.
 
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Mickdundee said:
He might have had a high reputation but it was unwarranted. He’s been promoted twice in his entire career, neither of which as champions and only one in the automatic places. Before he joined us the biggest clubs he managed were Hull and Charlton.

And despite being deemed an utter failure here and leaving us 8th in the league, 1 point ahead of Accrington Stanley having played 2 more games, his win rate here is higher than it has been at any club since Colchester.

That’s not exactly the caliber of manager you appoint for a team looking for automatic promotion.
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Mickdundee said:
He might have had a high reputation but it was unwarranted. He’s been promoted twice in his entire career, neither of which as champions and only one in the automatic places. Before he joined us the biggest clubs he managed were Hull and Charlton.

And despite being deemed an utter failure here and leaving us 8th in the league, 1 point ahead of Accrington Stanley having played 2 more games, his win rate here is higher than it has been at any club since Colchester.

That’s not exactly the caliber of manager you appoint for a team looking for automatic promotion.
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Agree totally with this, my only concern is that the knackers in charge of this club now get to choose our next manager again.

here’s hoping they are pushed aside and the eventual new majority shareholder does a better job of it.
 
Summerbee said:
It was sensible in the sense that if you run a business and you want someone to achieve an objective, you hire someone who has experience of achieving that objective and if possible, who has done it more than once. You can't blame those that adopted that thinking, because any responsible business owner in any industry would think the same way. The blame lies with Parkinson for failing to deliver on comfortable backing, but the job was never going to be easy for anyone.
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His previous record wasn’t that good if you look into it and speak to fans / players etc. a lot of who don’t rate him. He gad a worse win rate than most of the others linked iirc.

i agree Parky takes some of the blame, but the owners take majority for appointing someone who was never the right person and imo (and it seems most fans) was never going to work. They took the easy option instead of taking a chance on what we needed.
 
Shibby Safc said:
Charlie, I think the main flaw in the logic is, football is not like any other industry. When it comes to football on the pitch, there is no such thing as a tried and tested formula that fits all clubs. There is a little bit of daftness needed as Cloughy would say. You also need to take into consideration multiple variables:
1- What kind of character does it take to succeed up here, look back at history, big characters Reid, MM, Keane, BSA etc.
2- Given the reputation of the club, what profile is going to match? Hiring an inexperienced manager isn't necessarily an issue if it's the right profile, see Gerrard at Rangers, Lampard , Howe at Bournmeouth at Lower level.
3- PP achieved promotion from this division twice in like what, 13 years was it? If he was such a sure thing, how come other clubs in the championship didnt fall over themselves for him? Because they understand football.
4- The fact that SD would apply the same logic amd reasoning behind hiring a manager in other businesses to a football club manager is f***ing insane and shows again, he knows nothing about football.
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He was cheap and available hence SD gambled on promotion thinking he could then sell on to new consortium which ultimately am sure was the plan.... Obviously SD inexperience has been highlighted with the maja, Grigg and then parky appt.... Look at Wikipedia his records not great
 
Summerbee said:
His appointment was sensible on the face of it. He had a very high reputation at this level of the game and had even been in contact with a Championship club shortly before he came here. The length of the deal is clear evidence that this was by no means a cheap appointment.

Ultimately the fate of any manager will be dependent on results and they simply weren't good enough for a club of our ambition. He was heavily backed with the most expensive wage bill at this level but the style of football, lack of opportunity for younger players, concerns over fitness levels and results meant that he fell short of expectations.

Whether you like a manager or not, many of them will try their best and work hard to bring success to a club and Phil Parkinson is no different. I wish him well in his future endeavours, but now is the time to look forward to an exciting future on many fronts.
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Fingers crossed you and yours are nowhere near the appointment of our next manager.
 
Summerbee said:
His appointment was sensible on the face of it. He had a very high reputation at this level of the game and had even been in contact with a Championship club shortly before he came here. The length of the deal is clear evidence that this was by no means a cheap appointment.

Ultimately the fate of any manager will be dependent on results and they simply weren't good enough for a club of our ambition. He was heavily backed with the most expensive wage bill at this level but the style of football, lack of opportunity for younger players, concerns over fitness levels and results meant that he fell short of expectations.

Whether you like a manager or not, many of them will try their best and work hard to bring success to a club and Phil Parkinson is no different. I wish him well in his future endeavours, but now is the time to look forward to an exciting future on many fronts.
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Hahahahaha
 
rentaghost said:
Has it been confirmed? If so its the right decision. Once he feels the need to justify terrible recent results, substitutions and publicly making excuses (whether valid or not) about salary caps then its time to go. When Sunderland AFC are not in at least the play offs in striking distance of the top in this league then they need a new manager.
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So you've stopped quoting his fantastic points per game percentages now and accepted what was obvious to everyone from the start of the season. Better late than never.
 
SydneyFan said:
So you've stopped quoting his fantastic points per game percentages now and accepted what was obvious to everyone from the start of the season. Better late than never.
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Not at all everyone has their threshold and for me sacking Parkinson now was exactly the right time. You cant sack a bloke who at the time of debate was on a run of 2 points a game from 25 consecutive matches and all of the current season. Nobody would it was mental. It wasn't an endorsement of Parkinson just simple common sense it wouldn't happen anywhere. Right through those arguments i had always said any Sunderland manager in the 3rd division is only 3 or 4 games from the sack. The recent results with Sunderland outside of the play offs but still in touch with a lot of the season left was exactly the right time to sack him.
 
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