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Neither obviously cos we never had a head coach in place at that point. As time went on towards the window closing presumably the D of F takes control of the situation At times like that. By having a a D of F in place in situations like that it makes for a fluid running of the club so nowt grinds to a halt and hampers transfer activity.

So we still have one person making those calls, it's just one person with far less senior football experience than any manager? That's how we "decrease the risk" in transfer policy?
 
And to confirm - I'm glad we both no accept/agree, that it's demonstrably false to say that out "head coach" has the final say on transfers. I hope we all remember that, if and when things go wrong, and we are looking for the person to blame for it.
I didn't agree with you at all. I said there was no head coach in place to have a final say.
 
I didn't agree with you at all. I said there was no head coach in place to have a final say.

So we just went ahead and brought two in, sold two, and tried our best to force Gooch out regardless?

You don't see how that's contrary to the idea of a head coach needing to give final approval to transfers?

Really?
 
Because whilst he was Sunderland manager, it made no sense whatsoever for him to publicly, expressly, slag off his boss(es).

Now that he's not employed by the Club, he's free to tell the truth. A truth we already knew to be honest - based on what happened before our eyes, on transfer deadline day in January.
This was explained to you yesterday. Johnson was sacked late on Sunday 30 Jan. It is possible that these deals were in the works and had been agreed by Johnson before his dismissal.

Also, it's fun that Lee Johnson has never mentioned having no control over signings since he left.
 
So we just went ahead and brought two in, sold two, and tried our best to force Gooch out regardless?

You don't see how that's contrary to the idea of a head coach needing to give final approval to transfers?

Really?
Do you actually grasp the concept of having a D of F ? His role is to identify and bring players to the club. The head coach, who will have some input, is there to coach said players. It’s not exactly rocket science and AN will have known his role before signing.
 
So we just went ahead and brought two in, sold two, and tried our best to force Gooch out regardless?

You don't see how that's contrary to the idea of a head coach needing to give final approval to transfers?

Really?
No. The head coach, when in position, gives his final approval. When there's no one in position the rest of the recruitment team and DoF don't just sit around twiddling their thumbs. Otherwise there'd be no point in running that model. When a head coach takes the job on he knows what players are in the squad and what kind of players the club are looking to bring in.

Ideally you'd get a head coach who's singing from the same hymn sheet as the rest of the recruitment team. Suggestions on signings work both ways. If not that's when there's friction and only one winner.

I don't know why you see it as an issue. Pretty much every top club in Europe works this way. It means there's a certain amount of continuity on the pitch regardless of who's in the head coach role. Look at the mess Man Utd are in going from one manager to another, bringing in their signings then having to ship them out when the next man comes in. It's not how it's done anymore.
 
This was explained to you yesterday. Johnson was sacked late on Sunday 30 Jan. It is possible that these deals were in the works and had been agreed by Johnson before his dismissal.

Also, it's fun that Lee Johnson has never mentioned having no control over signings since he left.


So, just to confirm - we have a system that applies decisions taken by a former manager, after we've sacked him? Brilliant.
Do you actually grasp the concept of having a D of F ? His role is to identify and bring players to the club. The head coach, who will have some input, is there to coach said players. It’s not exactly rocket science and AN will have known his role before signing.

What qualifies him to make those decisions, over and above a more qualified an experienced manager?
No. The head coach, when in position, gives his final approval. When there's no one in position the rest of the recruitment team and DoF don't just sit around twiddling their thumbs. Otherwise there'd be no point in running that model. When a head coach takes the job on he knows what players are in the squad and what kind of players the club are looking to bring in.

Ideally you'd get a head coach who's singing from the same hymn sheet as the rest of the recruitment team. Suggestions on signings work both ways. If not that's when there's friction and only one winner.

I don't know why you see it as an issue. Pretty much every top club in Europe works this way. It means there's a certain amount of continuity on the pitch regardless of who's in the head coach role. Look at the mess Man Utd are in going from one manager to another, bringing in their signings then having to ship them out when the next man comes in. It's not how it's done anymore.

"Every top club in Europe" will work in its own way, and won't be the same as any other.

I'm also not concerned with other clubs, I'm concerned with Sunderland.
 
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So, just to confirm - we have a system that applies decisions taken by a former manager, after we've sacked him? Brilliant.


What qualifies him to make those decisions, over and above a more qualified an experienced manager?


"Every top club in Europe" will work in its own way, and won't be the same as any other.

I'm also not concerned with other clubs, I'm concerned with Sunderland.
Look at Neil's signings at Preston and Norwich.
 
So, just to confirm - we have a system that applies decisions taken by a former manager, after we've sacked him? Brilliant.


What qualifies him to make those decisions, over and above a more qualified an experienced manager?


"Every top club in Europe" will work in its own way, and won't be the same as any other.

I'm also not concerned with other clubs, I'm concerned with Sunderland.
I’ve no idea what you are on about now. That’s HIS role at the club and why he was appointed based on what he’s done previously. Under this model the coach coaches and D of F brings in players. As stated earlier others such as the head coach will have some say. LJ will obviously been involved in conversations up till his sacking but they ultimately won’t have been player’s he personally identified.
as for ‘other’ clubs like Dortmund, it’s a blueprint and very successful so why not try and emulate it ? Clubs like us need to be more savvy so we don’t end up on the edge of a cliff like we did previously.
 
Everyone beware!!!!!!!!!!!!!........

MURTONMARK posts.....please dont bite to his comments.....suspiciously joined on Friday and has been antagonizing this Board with Pro Neil comments ever since......hmmmmmmmm
 
What are you arguing about? we are playing well and have a good squad of players, that according to you we’ve paid very little for.
 
The Norwich he took to the Premier League, and the Preston he constantly had challenging for the play-offs?


What he's done previously? Interesting. Tell me more.......
Overseeing Birminghams academy during which time Bellingham and Demari Gray the likes came through. Obviously KLD saw enough to make the appointment.
the Mods need to be aware about it ......MurtonMark
Murtonmagmark never known anyone so negative against the club.
 
"Every top club in Europe" will work in its own way, and won't be the same as any other.

I'm also not concerned with other clubs, I'm concerned with Sunderland.
There'll be variations on it, but you seem to be a fan of generalising things. Some coaches are given more leeway than others depending on the makeup of it all, but even with the success Klopp has brought to Liverpool he says he's not in control of transfers. He was asked about a midfielder, he said there were a few players they were looking at. They'll all fit a certain profile, they'll all have been run by him, and he'd be happy any of them could fit into his team.

If it's Sunderland you're concerned with look what wavering from managers calling the shots to a badly fitting DoF model back to letting managers call the shots did. Each manager bringing his own players in then us being stuck with them stinking the place out for seasons after the manager had gone. Until there was no money left because it was all tied up in shit.
 
Overseeing Birminghams academy during which time Bellingham and Demari Gray the likes came through. Obviously KLD saw enough to make the appointment.

Sorry I should have been clear - I was asking about his relevant experience in senior professional football.

Tell me about that.
 
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