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"We want a mature debate, without the other side's negative campaigning. By the way, if you're pro-AV, you want to see kittens die horrible deaths. And did you know that AV actually gives you herpes?"

"We want a mature debate, without the other side's negative campaigning. By the way, if you're anti-AV, you throw bottles at nuns and urinate on Chelsea pensioners."

This sums up how I feel about politics at the moment.
 
I despair, I really do. They need to stop insulting our intelligence and start treating us with a bit of respect.
 
If AV is good enuff for Papua New Guinea and Fiji then its more than good enuff for the the UK's great unwashed.
 
Will it make the remotest smidgin of difference? Bit like 3 points for a win, looks a bit like it ought to change things, but if you look at the tables at the end the results are mostly the same as they would have been before.
 
Will it make the remotest smidgin of difference? Bit like 3 points for a win, looks a bit like it ought to change things, but if you look at the tables at the end the results are mostly the same as they would have been before.

Watching Spurs v Arsenal during the week I became convinced that four points for a win is the way forward. Two teams desperate for a win may result in more games like that.
 
Watching Spurs v Arsenal during the week I became convinced that four points for a win is the way forward. Two teams desperate for a win may result in more games like that.
How many points would you need to offer Stoke to try against Man City in the league if they have lost the cup final?

Anyway, I digress.

These politicians have to be elected. If the ones who would be truly honourable, dedicated, hard working and selfless would stand for election instead of sniping at those who do, then wouldn't we be better off?
 
How times change. It was only a short time ago that a few on here where blaming Blair/Brown/New Labour for everything that had gone wrong in the last few years.
They shouted for change and said Conservatives or Lib Dems were the way forward. Well.....they got what they wished for.
Now it seems Cameron and Clegg are the bad guys.

You wanted this......live with it.
 
How times change. It was only a short time ago that a few on here where blaming Blair/Brown/New Labour for everything that had gone wrong in the last few years.
They shouted for change and said Conservatives or Lib Dems were the way forward. Well.....they got what they wished for.
Now it seems Cameron and Clegg are the bad guys.

You wanted this......live with it.


Labour vs Conservative is a far less importasnt argument than safe seat vs marginal. If you're in a safe seat constituency your MP won't give a toss but if you're in a marginal they have to impress their constituents regardless of party.
 
How times change. It was only a short time ago that a few on here where blaming Blair/Brown/New Labour for everything that had gone wrong in the last few years.
They shouted for change and said Conservatives or Lib Dems were the way forward. Well.....they got what they wished for.
Now it seems Cameron and Clegg are the bad guys.

You wanted this......live with it.

If that's aimed at me, as the OP, then you're wrong. I've made no secret of my political allegiances (Labour) on the SMB. I started the thread on an apolitical basis, just as AV is being campaigned for on an apolitical basis. I make no comment about the parties of the politicians cited in the BBC article. My point is that their behaviour in the AV campaign is letting down the electorate. This is not a thread about the policies of their parties.
 
If that's aimed at me, as the OP, then you're wrong. I've made no secret of my political allegiances (Labour) on the SMB. I started the thread on an apolitical basis, just as AV is being campaigned for on an apolitical basis. I make no comment about the parties of the politicians cited in the BBC article. My point is that their behaviour in the AV campaign is letting down the electorate. This is not a thread about the policies of their parties.

It has been awful hasn't it, from both sides. The 'No' campaign's scare mongering has been well-documented but there's bollocks on the other side as well, Millitwat was saying the other day that voting for AV is voting for "hope over fear" :lol: It's a voting system, that's all it is and the campaigns have not illustrated this.

It really should have just been 2 leaflets published, one with the pros of AV/cons of FPTP and one with the cons of AV/pros of FPTP - and nothing else official.
 
There is no way the coalition will last the full 5 years either :neutral:
It'll be interesting to see what we get to vote for at the next election. Will the tories and liberals stand separately or will labour be the only major opposition party? Can you see Clegg if he is still there saying "vote for us so we can be junior party in a coalition again"?

Unless two thirds of the commons decide it shouldn't, it will
Why two thirds? Surely half plus one would be enough by the current rules.
 
janiep said:
I despair, I really do. They need to stop insulting our intelligence and start treating us with a bit of respect.

I would love it if they added "none of the above" as a choice. I know they won't but they say the voting public are apathetic. If we are it is not about politics but the current system.
 
I would love it if they added "none of the above" as a choice. I know they won't but they say the voting public are apathetic. If we are it is not about politics but the current system.

Maybe for you, but I'd say it's more down to Britain's Got Talent and Kerry Katona's latest drug addiction being more interesting to a large portion of the population.
 
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