O'Shea has a pop at the board


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At last ! Someone who understands the essence of building a good team, and in my opinion, the inherent weakness of a DOF model especially with the fragmented relationship that naturally results between DOF and head coach when you keep changing your head coach like we do.
Player character is every bit as important as technical ability - especially at the resource level of SAFC.

I agree, it's probably the weak link in a DOF model. People who have built great teams over the years invariably have a nucleus of players who are psychologically strong.....and they've normally been bought by a manager rather than a DOF. I suppose a DOF set-up can include this aspect as one of the criteria when selecting targets but I still think one man with a vision can construct a team with synergy easier than this selection by committee. The problem is these men are few and far between and we've never had one......Reidy probably got the closest but it didn't last long enough to bear real scrutiny.
 
I agree, it's probably the weak link in a DOF model. People who have built great teams over the years invariably have a nucleus of players who are psychologically strong.....and they've normally been bought by a manager rather than a DOF. I suppose a DOF set-up can include this aspect as one of the criteria when selecting targets but I still think one man with a vision can construct a team with synergy easier than this selection by committee. The problem is these men are few and far between and we've never had one......Reidy probably got the closest but it didn't last long enough to bear real scrutiny.

Better with two I'm sure you'd agree.
 
At last ! Someone who understands the essence of building a good team, and in my opinion, the inherent weakness of a DOF model especially with the fragmented relationship that naturally results between DOF and head coach when you keep changing your head coach like we do.
Player character is every bit as important as technical ability - especially at the resource level of SAFC.
One doesn't follow the other though. Lack of character can hardly be blamed on the DoF since most poor character players were signed by an autonomous manager
 
One doesn't follow the other though. Lack of character can hardly be blamed on he DoF

Well, de Fanti certainly signed some flaky characters and the same can probably be said of Congerton....his marquee signing especially.

I suppose a lot depends on what the brief is that the DOF is working to......if it's just technical qualities then the players psychological make-up may not be properly evaluated.
 
Well, de Fanti certainly signed some flaky characters and the same can probably be said of Congerton....his marquee signing especially.

I suppose a lot depends on what the brief is that the DOF is working to......if it's just technical qualities then the players psychological make-up may not be properly evaluated.
So did oneill, Bruce and the rest. Quinn made character a key requisite and you wouldn't need more than the fingers of one hand to count them up.
 
So did oneill, Bruce and the rest. Quinn made character a key requisite and you wouldn't need more than the fingers of one hand to count them up.

I'm not saying it's black and white though.....an individual can just as easily sign flaky characters as a DOF but I think a synergistic team can be constructed easier by an individual with a vision. As I said though, these men are in short supply.

Can I just ask your opinion of Rodwell mate......I'm of the opinion that he is a bit of a flaky character and even though a move to Sunderland was technically a step back from his two previous clubs he's found himself under a scrutiny more intense than he probably expected and hasn't handled it well. I really don't think it's the much trotted out line on here about having a full pre-season under his belt.....I just think he's weak psychologically.
 
The board have invested millions, mind. The managers and sporting directors have chosen chosen to sign a bag of shite mainly. How many people would have went mental at Byrne or Short telling Poyet and Congerton that they weren't allowed to sign Rodwell last summer as they didn't rate him?

Is this true?

Edit : AAh I see what you meant now:oops:
 
So did oneill, Bruce and the rest. Quinn made character a key requisite and you wouldn't need more than the fingers of one hand to count them up.

This is fair comment as well.
Signing players of questionable character is certainly not the preserve of DOF's alone.
Accepting that this is our model now though, unless the DOF/head coach relationship is a tight one, you're going to get it wrong more often than not IMHO. Not every head coach who comes along will even like Congerton never mind agree with his player assessments. Let's hope Dick and his inevitable successor do.
 
I'm not saying it's black and white though.....an individual can just as easily sign flaky characters as a DOF but I think a synergistic team can be constructed easier by an individual with a vision. As I said though, these men are in short supply.

Can I just ask your opinion of Rodwell mate......I'm of the opinion that he is a bit of a flaky character and even though a move to Sunderland was technically a step back from his two previous clubs he's found himself under a scrutiny more intense than he probably expected and hasn't handled it well. I really don't think it's much trotted out line on here about "when he gets a full pre-season
You're right that the single man with a vision would be better. However that's similar to the idea that the best political solution would be a benevolent dictator - one unencumbered by short term pressures. The DoF structure gives something away in terms of clarity but gains in consensus - at least in theory. It's no accident that it apes modern business structures where no one man is responsible for both short term operational delivery as well as long term strategic focus. Frankly the man who can do it all these days is not merely an anachronism. As far as I can see he's actually a myth.

On the subject of Rodwell I think there is truth in what you say. He has been a disappointment, granted. However more underwhelming than outright terrible. There is precedence for a player going through this type of period after prolonged periods of inactivity, though. Both Ramsey and Wilshire have looked shadows of their previous selves after long injury breaks and gone on to make strong recoveries. Ramsey looked champ standard for at least a year. Rodwell can recover and become a good player for safc - albeit he will have to get his head right to do so.
 
Complains about sacking managers but went crying like a f***ing girl to sack Paolo and get his ketchup back, was it the board or the managers fault when he was f***ing pathetic and gave in against Southampton, Villa and Palace? The bloke is a f***ing charlatan.

This is the same board that has sanctioned him getting a job for the next few years on a nice wedge when he should have retired by now. Remains to be seen how many games he'll be phoning it in between now and his actual retirement.
 
Didn't realise he was a fully paid up member of the SMB.
Warrants a ban for being disrespectful whether he is club captain or not.
 
As far as I remember the wayward Cattermole turned his attitude round after Di Canio's actions and he has made a positive contribution in the main since. Thus he was brought back into the fold. Such actions are not unusual in lots of clubs.
 
He's right.

How many defenders has O'Shea played alongside during his time here? It must be in the double figures. The reason we've had such a high volume of players is that we're penny wise, pound stupid. Countless cheapo gambles - on both players, management, and at boardroom level - made by people who are either unlucky or incompetent.

The die was cast when De Fanti pulled Short's pants down. I'd love to know how much money he made personally off the back of the dozen or so signings.
 
Can't disagree with most of that.

Must be why he went to Maggie's place...pleading for more time for Di Canio

Di Canio was a symptom of the disease - his status as a high-profile player masked the fact that we'd hired a coach who was sacked by f***ing Swindon. Pay peanuts, get monkeys.
 
As far as I remember the wayward Cattermole turned his attitude round after Di Canio's actions and he has made a positive contribution in the main since. Thus he was brought back into the fold. Such actions are not unusual in lots of clubs.
The only manager to have a problem with his attitude is Di Canio.
thats because he's a f***ing lunatic
 
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