O'Shea has a pop at the board


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O'Shea is spot on in what he says. The high turn over of players every summer is shocking, pathetic tbh.

He is part of the rotten core though, that rotten core that have been our better players.

Shit that smells a little less shitty is still shit. When he stops being part of the problem - a proven plughole circler on a CL winner's wage - then he can start to comment on it.
 
That's the usual idiots who have been proved right season after season.

While the supposedly sensible people keep blindly backing those primarily responsible for the mess we're in, season after season.

We struggle because we don't add enough quality to the side and have had managers who have performed poorly. Who exactly is this rotten core?
 
Be very interested if oshea could point to which manager was sacked too early. As far as I can see each and every one of them resulted in a significant upturn in form and were probably there difference between survival and relegation. Plenty of blame to share around but are the things that oshea calls out the root cause of our issues or just the symptoms?
I'm not sure he could. Every time we get a new manager they tell us how much better they are than the last one.
 
He's only saying what all of us already know. If the board had invested in quality players years ago we would of been established in the top half of the table by now. I'm hoping Short has learned his lesson and invests.
If oshea is so keen on increased investment in new players then perhaps he'll take a 70% pay cut. We can then add that to the 100% ticket price increase and everyone can be happy about where we are on the sky sports news net spend table
 
I was talking to Ellis Short recently and he said to me that he knew he'd made mistakes in not getting the right people in (players, managers and staff) and it pisses him off massively and he is determined to get recruitment sorted.

Was saying this before Advocaat was confirmed so he's off to a good start.

I was really pleased that he acknowledged his mistakes quite candidly.
 
The board have invested millions, mind. The managers and sporting directors have chosen chosen to sign a bag of shite mainly. How many people would have went mental at Byrne or Short telling Poyet and Congerton that they weren't allowed to sign Rodwell last summer as they didn't rate him?
 
If oshea is so keen on increased investment in new players then perhaps he'll take a 70% pay cut. We can then add that to the 100% ticket price increase and everyone can be happy about where we are on the sky sports news net spend table
I imagine he already took a paycut when he signed his new deal, I very much doubt he would be on the same wage giving his age if he is then Lee is mad for giving him it.
 
We struggle because we don't add enough quality to the side and have had managers who have performed poorly. Who exactly is this rotten core?

We can't afford to add quality precisely because we have these perennial relegation strugglers on massive wages. The core is in my signature, and if most of them are here next season it'll be the same again unless Short breaks the bank and changes the influence in that dressing room. A culture of doing just enough to get by, winning a derby then taking the next month off, of putting photos of your car on Twitter when you've barely lifted a finger to earn the money to buy it, of having no standards of behaviour or pride.

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Dear me. So he isn't allowed an opinion?

Not after all that's happened, no.

What would you do with an employee who's clearly a smiling knife and is now biting the hand that's fed him?
 
We spent 10m on Rodwell last season and he added nothing at all to the side. We have spent money on Altidore, Giacherini and loan players who have added barely anything to the side so we blatantly can afford to add quality we have just recruited really badly

I think you are probably right in terms of Fletcher but I cannot agree on the others. Most of the ones you mention have been our better players the last 2 seasons
 
I was talking to Ellis Short recently and he said to me that he knew he'd made mistakes in not getting the right people in (players, managers and staff) and it pisses him off massively and he is determined to get recruitment sorted.

Was saying this before Advocaat was confirmed so he's off to a good start.

I was really pleased that he acknowledged his mistakes quite candidly.
Hopefully he is sincere in this. Anyone who thjnks that our problems started with Ellis short is a bit of a dafty tbh. If the above is true then he's the first one who properly acknowledges what should be done (including Quinny) for the long term good of safc. Now he needs to put it in place
 
We spent 10m on Rodwell last season and he added nothing at all to the side. We have spent money on Altidore, Giacherini and loan players who have added barely anything to the side so we blatantly can afford to add quality we have just recruited really badly

I think you are probably right in terms of Fletcher but I cannot agree on the others. Most of the ones you mention have been our better players the last 2 seasons

In which we've had to rely on a run of results out of nowhere to stay up. Last season we went on as if it was expected. If the squad isn't changed round it'll be more of the same next year, only trying a bit less as obviously there was wasted effort there as were safe before the last possible moment.
 
I imagine he already took a paycut when he signed his new deal, I very much doubt he would be on the same wage giving his age if he is then Lee is mad for giving him it.
With the new TV deal and his prominence in the first XI I'd be amazed if he's taken a cut. Even so if he demands investment over what the club can naturally support then it stands to reason he should make the sacrifice for it - just like others should. Funny how so many find spending someone else's money so easy.
 
Hopefully he is sincere in this. Anyone who thjnks that our problems started with Ellis short is a bit of a dafty tbh. If the above is true then he's the first one who properly acknowledges what should be done (including Quinny) for the long term good of safc. Now he needs to put it in place

Short is a business man first and foremost and a very successful one at that. Generally people like that just don't tolerate repeating past mistakes and the way he was talking he seemed hell bent on not doing so.

I was very impressed with him like. Seemed keen to get feed back from normal paying supporters.
 
“There was talk of Lee Cattermole going a while ago, which would have left me, Seb Larsson and Wes Brown as the longest-serving players at the club.
“And we had only been here three years at the time, which is crazy.
“After three years’ service, we should not be the longest-serving players at a club like this.”


That´s quite shocking... :eek:
 
“There was talk of Lee Cattermole going a while ago, which would have left me, Seb Larsson and Wes Brown as the longest-serving players at the club.
“And we had only been here three years at the time, which is crazy.
“After three years’ service, we should not be the longest-serving players at a club like this.”


That´s quite shocking... :eek:
That we kept O'Shea for 3 seasons? I agree....:cool:
 
It makes him a hypocrite as the article mentions not continually sacking managers. Should have a disclaimer -as long as they are agreeable with John O'Shea
He hasn't sacked more than one so he isn't really continually sacking managers, he made the right decision for the club took his concerns to the board about the lunatic we had in charge.
 
I've said it for a while on here but we keep on signing flaky characters, who, once they come under pressure either hide, play it safe or crumble en masse. I wouldn't confuse this with not trying as it's difficult to change the temperament you were born with. Some people thrive on pressure and lead from the front while in others pressure exposes their weaknesses. Kilbane, Halford, Murphy, Altidore,Davies....just some notable examples of recent times. We need quality players but they should also have a mental toughness about them......this doesn't mean buying "hard men" it means buying those who have an unstinting will to win and can express themselves confidently under pressure.

At last ! Someone who understands the essence of building a good team, and in my opinion, the inherent weakness of a DOF model especially with the fragmented relationship that naturally results between DOF and head coach when you keep changing your head coach like we do.
Player character is every bit as important as technical ability - especially at the resource level of SAFC.
 
say what u want about paolo, hes a cracking manager and will do well at a smaller club and build them up imo, couldnt handle the egos coming straight in at this level, jos running to byrne crying was f***ing pathetic !
 
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