O'Shea has a pop at the board


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I your agree with much of what you say but you are in effect agreeing with JOS...if we recruit a better leader we will build a long term sustainable team.
I agree with oshea but believe he's only telling half the story. If we recruit a better leader - and the players give their best each week - we will build etc. would be a more accurate depiction of our needs.

The essence of good leadership is to provide the optimum conditions for people to give their best. It still requires people to actually give their best though. You can't absolve the responsibility of half of that partnership. good leaders can't succeed without good followers. Besides, any player involved in the Southampton debacle is not really in a position to lay all the blame at the door of the hierarchy.
 
I agree with oshea but believe he's only telling half the story. If we recruit a better leader - and the players give their best each week - we will build etc. would be a more accurate depiction of our needs.

The essence of good leadership is to provide the optimum conditions for people to give their best. It still requires people to actually give their best though. You can't absolve the responsibility of half of that partnership. good leaders can't succeed without good followers. Besides, any player involved in the Southampton debacle is not really in a position to lay all the blame at the door of the hierarchy.

Dont ever underestimate the psychological challenges of playing prem standard football and how massive the manager and coach is influencing belief, trust and faith in each other. There is always the other team trying to out work you, out play you and take advantage of any weaknesses'.
 
Dont ever underestimate the psychological challenges of playing prem standard football and how massive the manager and coach is influencing belief, trust and faith in each other. There is always the other team trying to out work you, out play you and take advantage of any weaknesses'.
....and one of those weaknesses is O'Shea and his lack of pace, agility and reflexes!
 
Dont ever underestimate the psychological challenges of playing prem standard football and how massive the manager and coach is influencing belief, trust and faith in each other. There is always the other team trying to out work you, out play you and take advantage of any weaknesses'.
To an extent I can agree. However, that still feels like a bit of a cop out. Leadership is massive. However, good leaders also know when to cut someone when they are not responsive to their methods. In these days of FFP and long contracts, that is something that is less feasible for a head coach in football. At what point do you say that it is poor leadership and is actually a lack of personal responsibility on the part of the players?

In truth, the board have been extremely naïve and made some particularly inadvisable choices, all the recent managers were peddled correctly and most of the players have serious questions to answer regarding their drive to achieve. If O'Shea had said all of that I doubt anyone would have piped up. The football world doesn't do personal reflection, though, and is known to close ranks (particularly when you're in the same hotel as one of the previous failures).
 
Catts didn't come out with this statement or I would be having a go at him, well not so much a go at him as a need to take some of the responsibility and blame along with the board, it's O'Shea's lack of said responsibility in the article that annoyed me, it isn't mentioned anywhere, all I expect is a 100% commitment and effort be it on a match day or in preparation for it, but it hasn't been there for large chunks of last season and the one's before, because you can tell when they really need to put the effort in and their wage packets are under threat they are capable of much more than what they show when the pressure isn't on so much and they can coast it. Poor management at board level or at coaching level hasn't helped our situation obviously but when seasoned, experienced professionals decide a manager or his tactics aren't for them and decide to go through the motions we'll always be flirting with danger, it's been proven with O'Neill, Di Canio and Poyet, an initial lift, a host of rallying calls then back to mediocrity, they just can't or won't give an acceptable level of performance over a sustained period to bring success, yet they won't take any responsibility for it, and that's what has annoyed me.

We're shit. We have a shit midfield, shit attackers and a shit defence. We are lucky to have stayed in the Premier League this long. Look at the players we have had, I don't doubt all the players commitment for 99% of the games, it's just they're shite. Apart from our goalkeepers the last good player we had was Sess and even then he is pretty average in the West Brom team
 
We're shit. We have a shit midfield, shit attackers and a shit defence. We are lucky to have stayed in the Premier League this long. Look at the players we have had, I don't doubt all the players commitment for 99% of the games, it's just they're shite. Apart from our goalkeepers the last good player we had was Sess and even then he is pretty average in the West Brom team
If that was the whole truth of it we wouldn't have been able to produce sustained bursts of form in 11/12, 13/14 and 14/15 that took us clear of trouble. The players are capable of better than they consistently produce IMO. Maybe not top 10 or even top 12, but better than last ditch against-the-odds rescue jobs.
 
We're shit. We have a shit midfield, shit attackers and a shit defence. We are lucky to have stayed in the Premier League this long. Look at the players we have had, I don't doubt all the players commitment for 99% of the games, it's just they're shite. Apart from our goalkeepers the last good player we had was Sess and even then he is pretty average in the West Brom team
Thing is they can perform when their reputations and livelihood depends on it, that's the rub, they can perform as well as anyone in the bottom half of the league but don't, and that's attitude not ability.
 
Bardsley, O'Shea and Cattermole haven't, as far as I'm aware, had any issues with any other manager before or since Di Canio. Di Canio didn't have any allies at the end of his time here.

That may or may not be unprofessional, but it's certainly incompetent.
I agree, it's not unprofessional. It's not incompetent, maybe quirky. I don't believe that any manager other than Fergie had an issue with Becks in his entire career. It happens with some personalities.

Ferguson did everything in private, I can't remember him hanging his players out to dry in public. That's the difference.
I've no problem with plain speaking. There ought to be more of it in the game, instead of the platitudes and doublespeak.
 
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