O'Shea has a pop at the board


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All of that stuff in the bottom of your quote is about leadership..not anyone can take a bunch of disparate players and get them with their egos and in many cases limited intelligence and motivate them to compete in the prem....we just don't appoint the right leaders
Whilst all of that is true it's churlish to absolve the players of their responsibility when it comes to performance. They aren't cattle to be herded. This sort of thing from oshea would be far better received if the playing squad was simply poorly skilled. Fact is that in three of the last four seasons the squad has shown itself capable of sustained excellent form - far in excess of mere bottom feeders. That then points to attitude.

Now poor leadership comes in here of course but a significant portion of the problem must reside in the players themselves. And besides, if both the leaders and the players are below required standard then surely a desire for stability goes out the window. The churn is a symptom rather than the cause. There's plenty of blame to go around here and oshea is a good enough communicator to have danced around it better than he did. Probably something to do with the interview being given while on duty with MONs Ireland.
 
Part of being a captain is handling the dressing room. We play down to opponents and play horrible at home...never build on a win and can't beat promoted clubs. To me, the mentality in the dressing room isn't what it should be...O'Shea has balls calling out anyone before himself.

:lol: what the fuck?

did you actually read the article?
 
Psychologically speaking, if O'Shea made 'unguarded' comments whilst on duty with Ireland then they are much more likely to reflect his true beliefs and attitude than the carefully prepared and meaningless sound bites footballers often come out with.
 
Aye John, it's the boards fault that Bolasie outclassed you in the Palace game.
 
He is a model pro. No one in his long career has ever said otherwise.......maybe the fascist loony had an issue but he is very much alone.

He points out that the safc hierarchy need to take responsibility and suddenly he must be a workshy wage thief and a bad egg.

People on here really need to accept reality.
 
He is a model pro. No one in his long career has ever said otherwise.......maybe the fascist loony had an issue but he is very much alone.

He points out that the safc hierarchy need to take responsibility and suddenly he must be a workshy wage thief and a bad egg.

People on here really need to accept reality.
I like O Shea. What I don't understand though is, if he thinks the board are so much of a lame duck, why doesn't he seek a move?
 
He needs to accept some rssponsibility. But he's still right.
:lol: Except responsibility! when has he ever stuck his hand up to say "sorry lads, that was my fault" he's never once took blame for any of the countless blunders he's made that cost us points, the biggest mistake the board made was giving this cretin a contract extension, he should have been peddled two seasons ago.
 
He is a model pro. No one in his long career has ever said otherwise.......maybe the fascist loony had an issue but he is very much alone.

He points out that the safc hierarchy need to take responsibility and suddenly he must be a workshy wage thief and a bad egg.

People on here really need to accept reality.

Nah, DC said he was "two faced". You can make your own mind up if he's behaving to form trotting this latest line out.
 
Can you give me an example PDC being 'grossly unprofessional'? Cheers.

Criticising O'Shea in the media, criticising Ji in the media, 'systematic destruction' of the club captain and new signings, criticising the entire club after his sacking.

Then there was the time he punched his own player at Swindon, broke into the clubhouse, plus the fascist salute, pushing the referee. The bloke is, was and will always be an unprofessional narcissist.

The only thing going for him is that he criticises rich footballers. That makes him a TalkSport guest, not a coach. He was one of the architects of the mess we find ourselves in today. The veneration of him by some on this board is bizarre.

Of course he is, however pot calling kettle black comes to mind. I am sure if you look at the number of mistakes made by the board during O'Shea's tenure, and the number of mistakes made by O'Shea you'd find the Irishman way ahead on the count.

That's why he plays for us. If he made fewer mistakes he'd probably still be at a top club.

JOS has been a model pro for us. I don't think he's good enough to be in the first XI of a Premier League club, but you can blame club recruitment for that - which is exactly what he's doing.
 
:lol: Except responsibility! when has he ever stuck his hand up to say "sorry lads, that was my fault" he's never once took blame for any of the countless blunders he's made that cost us points, the biggest mistake the board made was giving this cretin a contract extension, he should have been peddled two seasons ago.
I would never expect a mea culpa from anyone in football. Avoiding taking any responsibility for their own poor performance is ingrained in them to a man
 
He is a model pro. No one in his long career has ever said otherwise.......maybe the fascist loony had an issue but he is very much alone.

He points out that the safc hierarchy need to take responsibility and suddenly he must be a workshy wage thief and a bad egg.

People on here really need to accept reality.
What you on about man short and his cronies are doing a bang up job of managing a top flight football club.
 
:lol: Except responsibility! when has he ever stuck his hand up to say "sorry lads, that was my fault" he's never once took blame for any of the countless blunders he's made that cost us points, the biggest mistake the board made was giving this cretin a contract extension, he should have been peddled two seasons ago.
Quite!

Criticising O'Shea in the media, criticising Ji in the media, 'systematic destruction' of the club captain and new signings, criticising the entire club after his sacking.

Then there was the time he punched his own player at Swindon, broke into the clubhouse, plus the fascist salute, pushing the referee. The bloke is, was and will always be an unprofessional narcissist.

The only thing going for him is that he criticises rich footballers. That makes him a TalkSport guest, not a coach. He was one of the architects of the mess we find ourselves in today. The veneration of him by some on this board is bizarre.



That's why he plays for us. If he made fewer mistakes he'd probably still be at a top club.

JOS has been a model pro for us. I don't think he's good enough to be in the first XI of a Premier League club, but you can blame club recruitment for that - which is exactly what he's doing.
As a manager? Criticising a player isn't 'gross unprofessionalsism' in my book. JOS deserved the criticism. Poor signings aren't 'grossly unprofessional' either, nor is criticising the employer that sacks you! The other stuff happened as a player. I don't venerate the man by any means but I do think we should balance our criticism.

Quite!


As a manager? Criticising a player isn't 'gross unprofessionalsism' in my book. JOS deserved the criticism. Poor signings aren't 'grossly unprofessional' either, nor is criticising the employer that sacks you! The other stuff happened as a player. I don't venerate the man by any means but I do think we should balance our criticism.
'Systematic destruction'?? Isn't that what the players were doing? :lol: win a game and it was open topped bus time and they'd not bother again for two months.
 
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Thanks. I was thinking about his tenure as manager.
That shows the character of the bloke, along with the facist salutes etc. He's not someone to lecture people about professional standards, espicially people that have had careers like O'Shea.

Hi rant at the end of the Spurs game was unprofessional, as was his slating of O'Shea following the palace game. If we were privy to what went on behind the scenes I'm, sure there'll be dozens more examples.

Criticising O'Shea in the media, criticising Ji in the media, 'systematic destruction' of the club captain and new signings, criticising the entire club after his sacking.

Then there was the time he punched his own player at Swindon, broke into the clubhouse, plus the fascist salute, pushing the referee. The bloke is, was and will always be an unprofessional narcissist.

The only thing going for him is that he criticises rich footballers. That makes him a TalkSport guest, not a coach. He was one of the architects of the mess we find ourselves in today. The veneration of him by some on this board is bizarre.



That's why he plays for us. If he made fewer mistakes he'd probably still be at a top club.

JOS has been a model pro for us. I don't think he's good enough to be in the first XI of a Premier League club, but you can blame club recruitment for that - which is exactly what he's doing.
Far more articulate than I managed, excellent post.

Quite!


As a manager? Criticising a player isn't 'gross unprofessionalsism' in my book. JOS deserved the criticism. Poor signings aren't 'grossly unprofessional' either, nor is criticising the employer that sacks you! The other stuff happened as a player. I don't venerate the man by any means but I do think we should balance our criticism.


'Systematic destruction'?? Isn't that what the players were doing? :lol: win a game and it was open topped bus time and they'd not bother again for two months.

No it didn't. He didn't play for Swindon.

PDC was a fraud, its ironic that you are defending him on a thread while you & teed are slating JoS for not taking responsbilitiy. PDC was a disaster for this club, when did he ever hold his hands up & admit his mistakes?
 
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That shows the character of the bloke, along with the facist salutes etc. He's not someone to lecture people about professional standards, espicially people that have had careers like O'Shea.

Hi rant at the end of the Spurs game was unprofessional, as was his slating of O'Shea following the palace game. If we were privy to what went on behind the scenes I'm, sure there'll be dozens more examples.


Far more articulate than I managed, excellent post.



No it didn't. He didn't play for Swindon.

PDC was a fraud, its ironic that you are defending him on a thread while you & teed are slating JoS for not taking responsbilitiy. PDC was a disaster for this club, when did he ever hold his hands up & admit his mistakes?
Plenty of managers have had a rant and the great SAF had a pop at his players! Ask Becks. When did anyone in the game hold their hands up and admit fault? It isn't done. Pretty similar to politics in that respect. Doesn't sound like JOS is having any. :lol: As for my defending Paulo, not really. Just seeking balance.

Did you click the link?
Yup. Not convinced he acted unprofessionally tho I can see why in your opinion, you would be less than satisfied. But it doesn't constitute unprofessional conduct in my book.
 
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Yup. Not convinced he acted unprofessionally tho I can see why in your opinion, you would be less than satisfied. But it doesn't constitute unprofessional conduct in my book.


Bardsley, O'Shea and Cattermole haven't, as far as I'm aware, had any issues with any other manager before or since Di Canio. Di Canio didn't have any allies at the end of his time here.

That may or may not be unprofessional, but it's certainly incompetent.
 
Plenty of managers have had a rant and the great SAF had a pop at his players! Ask Becks. When did anyone in the game hold their hands up and admit fault? It isn't done. Pretty similar to politics in that respect. Doesn't sound like JOS is having any. :lol: As for my defending Paulo, not really. Just seeking balance.


Yup. Not convinced he acted unprofessionally tho I can see why in your opinion, you would be less than satisfied. But it doesn't constitute unprofessional conduct in my book.
Ferguson did everything in private, I can't remember him hanging his players out to dry in public. That's the difference.
 
Whilst all of that is true it's churlish to absolve the players of their responsibility when it comes to performance. They aren't cattle to be herded. This sort of thing from oshea would be far better received if the playing squad was simply poorly skilled. Fact is that in three of the last four seasons the squad has shown itself capable of sustained excellent form - far in excess of mere bottom feeders. That then points to attitude.

Now poor leadership comes in here of course but a significant portion of the problem must reside in the players themselves. And besides, if both the leaders and the players are below required standard then surely a desire for stability goes out the window. The churn is a symptom rather than the cause. There's plenty of blame to go around here and oshea is a good enough communicator to have danced around it better than he did. Probably something to do with the interview being given while on duty with MONs Ireland.

I your agree with much of what you say but you are in effect agreeing with JOS...if we recruit a better leader we will build a long term sustainable team.
 
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