O'Shea has a pop at the board


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He is hardly whinging he is saying what most Sunderland fans think. It's a non story swept into a frenzy by the usual hate mob. What did he do wrong with Di Canio? Would you rather he stayed silent and see us sink into oblivion? Di Canio is a nutter who was trying to protect his own dismal reputation. O'Shea has been a model pro all his career yet people on here tend to always focus on the negatives.

Part of being a captain is handling the dressing room. We play down to opponents and play horrible at home...never build on a win and can't beat promoted clubs. To me, the mentality in the dressing room isn't what it should be...O'Shea has balls calling out anyone before himself.
 
Part of being a captain is handling the dressing room. We play down to opponents and play horrible at home...never build on a win and can't beat promoted clubs. To me, the mentality in the dressing room isn't what it should be...O'Shea has balls calling out anyone before himself.
He isn't calling anyone out. Hes saying we need to learn from past mistakes. I think you've been reeled in by the sensational headline
 
Aye. Yet again we have to have an overhaul. There is no continuity. We have to get it right this summer so we're not in the same position next summer. Add quality.

Ok, that's an interpretation....but I read it as keep the manager and players and give them time.
 
Are you sure? I haven't seen Ellis kick one ball yet...If O'Shea and the rest of the crew can't beat the bottom four sides, what other option does Ellis have but to get rid of players and or managers? The problem I have is, as captain, not once in that article does O'Shea take any responsibility or say "as a team we need to play better"... he makes an excuse and blames the board, not good for a captain, imo!
He needs to accept some rssponsibility. But he's still right.
 
He isn't calling anyone out. Hes saying we need to learn from past mistakes. I think you've been reeled in by the sensational headline
Maybe a little but I'm on the fence with him being captain...part of this discipline issue that PDC, Gus and Dick brought up needs to start with the players policing themselves...also playing down to opponents..the dressing room is soft, imo.
 
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You commented on Cattermole and Di Canio.
I mentioned a previous manager in reply to your rant about Di Canio though my main point was about Cattermole who went through a period of disgrace when he shamed himself by his off-field behaviour and his on field bookings and record number of red cards. There were many would have been glad to get rid of him including me at that time. He may have turned a corner in many respects though some on here, in my opinion, worship him at a level above his ability. All heart and a modicum of talent just makes a wholehearted trier. We need to keep Cattermole but replace all our players with better, including the mouthy O'Shea with better, more consistent players if we are to make any progress.
 
<insert witty and profound comment about the players being shite which gets 25 likes>
 
Complains about sacking managers but went crying like a f***ing girl to sack Paolo and get his ketchup back, was it the board or the managers fault when he was f***ing pathetic and gave in against Southampton, Villa and Palace? The bloke is a f***ing charlatan.

Funny how everyone forgets that it was Cattermole who was with O'Shea but of course Catts is a hard man who misses half the season through injury or red cards and goes missing every other game, so he's excused and our fans will pick on the centre back who gives all for the club
 
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Funny how everyone forgets that it was Cattermole who was with O'Shea but of course Catts is a hard man who misses half the season through injury or red cards and goes missing every other game, so he's excused and our fans will pick on the centre back who gives all for the club

Not everyone.
 
It's laughable anyone would question osheas commitment like.

Very odd response to him saying the thing we all agree with.

Exactly. .bunch of bloody hypocrites on here...how dare a player think the same as us the upstart, that's our preserve

Surprised how some people are reading this...as if to say your wrong John successful clubs dont need stability, they dont need to evolve, they dont need credible premiership managers ....thats all about 'strategy' and nowt to do with individual players...
... truth is oshea is one of the few players who has been able to rise above the malaise and along with likes of catts and Seb lead us to safety..world beater he ain't but thank god we have had him these past two seasons.

Hats off for caring enough, being articulate enough and having the courage to say what he thinks

Where does he or any of the players take any responsibility in that piece? Typical response from Mr Rent a Rallying Call while blaming every fucker else for his and his teammates shortcomings, we know we have signed too many and sacked too many managers but to totally absolve themselves is laughable.

In football and in business there is strategy and there are tactics. Strategy is the picture management stuff which includes longer term planning around recruitment policy, transfer policy etc and has bugger all to do with the individual players ...this is what O shea is referring to.
Then there is 'tactics' ...short term stuff to do with performance on the pitch, individual match day results etc ....the players are highly responsible along with the managers.

But as any manager of a business knows regardless of who you have on your pitch if the strategy is wrong you will get shit results, no matter how hard you try....and frankly it has only been effort which has stopped us been relegated the last seasons.
 
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Well said.

Absolutely no reason at all to disagree with or debate what he's said there.

Squad needs investment ,and the club needs managerial and stylistic philosophical continuity.

You get me.
 
Funny how everyone forgets that it was Cattermole who was with O'Shea but of course Catts is a hard man who misses half the season through injury or red cards and goes missing every other game, so he's excused and our fans will pick on the centre back who gives all for the club
Catts didn't come out with this statement or I would be having a go at him, well not so much a go at him as a need to take some of the responsibility and blame along with the board, it's O'Shea's lack of said responsibility in the article that annoyed me, it isn't mentioned anywhere, all I expect is a 100% commitment and effort be it on a match day or in preparation for it, but it hasn't been there for large chunks of last season and the one's before, because you can tell when they really need to put the effort in and their wage packets are under threat they are capable of much more than what they show when the pressure isn't on so much and they can coast it. Poor management at board level or at coaching level hasn't helped our situation obviously but when seasoned, experienced professionals decide a manager or his tactics aren't for them and decide to go through the motions we'll always be flirting with danger, it's been proven with O'Neill, Di Canio and Poyet, an initial lift, a host of rallying calls then back to mediocrity, they just can't or won't give an acceptable level of performance over a sustained period to bring success, yet they won't take any responsibility for it, and that's what has annoyed me.
 
Catts didn't come out with this statement or I would be having a go at him, well not so much a go at him as a need to take some of the responsibility and blame along with the board, it's O'Shea's lack of said responsibility in the article that annoyed me, it isn't mentioned anywhere, all I expect is a 100% commitment and effort be it on a match day or in preparation for it, but it hasn't been there for large chunks of last season and the one's before, because you can tell when they really need to put the effort in and their wage packets are under threat they are capable of much more than what they show when the pressure isn't on so much and they can coast it. Poor management at board level or at coaching level hasn't helped our situation obviously but when seasoned, experienced professionals decide a manager or his tactics aren't for them and decide to go through the motions we'll always be flirting with danger, it's been proven with O'Neill, Di Canio and Poyet, an initial lift, a host of rallying calls then back to mediocrity, they just can't or won't give an acceptable level of performance over a sustained period to bring success, yet they won't take any responsibility for it, and that's what has annoyed me.


All of that stuff in the bottom of your quote is about leadership..not anyone can take a bunch of disparate players and get them with their egos and in many cases limited intelligence and motivate them to compete in the prem....we just don't appoint the right leaders
 
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