Only Way Is Down After Durham

[brandon]

I believe it's been said of many football clubs and by many people, but I think the more notable one was Harry Redknapp speaking about when players leave Manchester United.

However, thinking about it, certainly in recent times - when players leave Durham, the general trend is that players never achieve heights greater than what they achieved here. Granted, the last decade has been largely succesful for us and that as a result has its own impact.

But with the current exodus, folllowing last years leavers, I fear the worst has not yet come. More will go in the coming years unfortunately, before we can sort out the finances and get rid of the debt.

So on that note, has anyone actually got better or gone onto better things after leaving us?

Stoneman would be the obvious one, but I would argue he benefitted greatly from favourable circumstances and he only had himself to blame last season for not being in the England side sooner anyway.

Borthwick seems to have had the worst year of his life, Asher Hart has vanished of the face of the earth and further back into the annals of time, thinking of the likes of Betts, Raine, Coetzer, Smith, etc - has anyone done much better than Durham?

 

[Carteron]

Tough one, maybe Martin Saggers.

Will Gidman probably the most obvious one. For his time at Glos anyway.

 

[mackembhoy]

I believe it's been said of many football clubs and by many people, but I think the more notable one was Harry Redknapp speaking about when players leave Manchester United.

However, thinking about it, certainly in recent times - when players leave Durham, the general trend is that players never achieve heights greater than what they achieved here. Granted, the last decade has been largely succesful for us and that as a result has its own impact.

But with the current exodus, folllowing last years leavers, I fear the worst has not yet come. More will go in the coming years unfortunately, before we can sort out the finances and get rid of the debt.

So on that note, has anyone actually got better or gone onto better things after leaving us?

Stoneman would be the obvious one, but I would argue he benefitted greatly from favourable circumstances and he only had himself to blame last season for not being in the England side sooner anyway.

Borthwick seems to have had the worst year of his life, Asher Hart has vanished of the face of the earth and further back into the annals of time, thinking of the likes of Betts, Raine, Coetzer, Smith, etc - has anyone done much better than Durham?

Will Smith has done well at Hampshire. Albeit not won any titles.

 

[blackcat1395]

Coetzer has been an international regular

 

[brandon]

Tough one, maybe Martin Saggers.

Will Gidman probably the most obvious one. For his time at Glos anyway.

Saggers was relegated as Durham clinched their first Championship.

Gidman played Division Two while Durham were in One.......

Coetzer has been an international regular

Think you've missed the point.

Will Smith has done well at Hampshire. Albeit not won any titles.

It's the winning things I'm getting at really.

 

[blackcat1395]

Think you've missed the point.

I agree with you and I get your point. I'm scraping the barrel really.

 

[mackembhoy]

Saggers was relegated as Durham clinched their first Championship.

Gidman played Division Two while Durham were in One.......



Think you've missed the point.



It's the winning things I'm getting at really.

Just playing a bit of devils advocate. I agree mate.

 

[brandon]

Coetzer would've played internationally no matter which county he was at in fairness.

 

[blackcat1395]

Coetzer would've played internationally no matter which county he was at in fairness.

This went through my head as soon as I'd typed it actually

 

[brandon]

Just playing a bit of devils advocate. I agree mate.

So the consensus is NO then

 

[chunkyshanhawk53]

It’s at least partially because we have kept our best players. Until the last year anyway

 

[Carteron]

Saggers was relegated as Durham clinched their first Championship.

Gidman played Division Two while Durham were in One.......



Think you've missed the point.



It's the winning things I'm getting at really.

Gidman barely played for Durham and Saggers went on to get loads of wickets and play for England. Take your point on winning anything though but would argue Gidman and Saggers werent really involved in Durham winning anything.

 

[jackpunch]

I believe it's been said of many football clubs and by many people, but I think the more notable one was Harry Redknapp speaking about when players leave Manchester United.

However, thinking about it, certainly in recent times - when players leave Durham, the general trend is that players never achieve heights greater than what they achieved here. Granted, the last decade has been largely succesful for us and that as a result has its own impact.

But with the current exodus, folllowing last years leavers, I fear the worst has not yet come. More will go in the coming years unfortunately, before we can sort out the finances and get rid of the debt.

So on that note, has anyone actually got better or gone onto better things after leaving us?

Stoneman would be the obvious one, but I would argue he benefitted greatly from favourable circumstances and he only had himself to blame last season for not being in the England side sooner anyway.

Borthwick seems to have had the worst year of his life, Asher Hart has vanished of the face of the earth and further back into the annals of time, thinking of the likes of Betts, Raine, Coetzer, Smith, etc - has anyone done much better than Durham?

I was thinking exactly this the other day after hearing about Coughlin leaving. There's very few ( I can't think of anyone other than Stoneman and it's still early days for him) who've chosen to leave who have gone on to better things.

 

[leecoo]

you could argue Plunkett

 

[Twisted]

Borthwick seems to have had the worst year of his life, Asher Hart has vanished of the face of the earth and further back into the annals of time, thinking of the likes of Betts, Raine, Coetzer, Smith, etc - has anyone done much better than Durham?

did he actually play FC for us? because he is now a regular somewhere.

ben harmison and mitch claydon play cricket regularly which is better than occasionally turning out in white ball for us

you could argue Plunkett

no argument really, although extenuating circumstances with that one likewise will smith

 

[brandon]

Gidman barely played for Durham and Saggers went on to get loads of wickets and play for England. Take your point on winning anything though but would argue Gidman and Saggers werent really involved in Durham winning anything.

Very good point. I know a lot of members at the time felt Saggers was a better bowler than Durham seemed to think and were sad to see him go.

you could argue Plunkett

Yes, very good point - totally forgot about him .

Over the moon for him getting his career back on track and getting away from the demons he had whilst with us - even if it was much his own doing.

 

[The Red Telephone]

Mike Hussey was quite successful after leaving Durham!

 

[Twisted]

Mike Hussey was quite successful after leaving Durham!

botham has had a pretty successful career post durham anarl but that's not really the point is it?

 

[rentaghost]

I believe it's been said of many football clubs and by many people, but I think the more notable one was Harry Redknapp speaking about when players leave Manchester United.

However, thinking about it, certainly in recent times - when players leave Durham, the general trend is that players never achieve heights greater than what they achieved here. Granted, the last decade has been largely succesful for us and that as a result has its own impact.

But with the current exodus, folllowing last years leavers, I fear the worst has not yet come. More will go in the coming years unfortunately, before we can sort out the finances and get rid of the debt.

So on that note, has anyone actually got better or gone onto better things after leaving us?

Stoneman would be the obvious one, but I would argue he benefitted greatly from favourable circumstances and he only had himself to blame last season for not being in the England side sooner anyway.

Borthwick seems to have had the worst year of his life, Asher Hart has vanished of the face of the earth and further back into the annals of time, thinking of the likes of Betts, Raine, Coetzer, Smith, etc - has anyone done much better than Durham?

4th top scorer in the country with 1234 runs at 46.One of only two players in the country at that stage to have scored 1000 runs in 4 consecutive years and now the only one to have done it for a 5th. What could he have done more and what were the 'favorable circumstances'?

 

[brandon]

4th top scorer in the country with 1234 runs at 46.One of only two players in the country at that stage to have scored 1000 runs in 4 consecutive years and now the only one to have done it for a 5th. What could he have done more and what were the 'favorable circumstances'?

Been covered about twenty times but I'll do it again.

He went into last season coming off three consecutive thousand run seasons and many (himself included) felt it was time for him to properly cash in and score big. He himself claimed he wanted to convert more 50's into hundreds and spend far more time at the crease.

What happened was he regressed by comparison to the upward trajectory he'd been on and a different Durham opener scored absolute bagfulls of runs and was selected on merit for England. Not before Duckett and Hameed had also beaten him to the job too though.

The favourable circumstances were that he pretty much was the only English opener left to pick from after Jennings because 5/6 other openers before him had failed/lost form/got injured.

We're literally at the bottom of the barrel now. If Stoneman was to break a finger, who else could actually claim to be deserving of a slot in the team? Jennings and Hameed can't certainly.

That's not to say he doesn't deserve his place, he does, but that wasn't the point I was making.