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Huh? How many times have we been relegated since 1992? Two season's ago was the fist time Newcastle were relegated from the PL or from the top division. Since our promotion to our inagural PL season we have been relegated about 4 times.

Most recently, which of the 2 sides got relegated? You utter nincompoop.
 

I meant, of course, the First Division. What was before the Premier League came along. But then you are totally incapable of figuring that one out.

Most recently, which of the 2 sides got relegated? You utter nincompoop.

Of bloody course I bloody well know the most recent side to be relegated is Newcastle! Jeez wept! Don't you dare call me a name which implies I am stupid till you are in full posession of the facts about what one is implying and are sure! And you call me a nincompoop.:roll:

I would have thought though that the most number of times relegated is more important than who is most recently relegated, wouldn't you? Once relegated is no great worry. It is not a sign a club is in some kind of crisis or a state where something drastic needs to happen. A club is clearly less stable after several relegations than one that is relegated on the strength of just one.

THAT is the point I was trying to make in reply to your last comment about the team recently relegated. Whatever point you were trying to make about the condition of Newcastle compared to us I didn't agree and that was my counter issue.
 
I meant, of course, the First Division. What was before the Premier League came along. But then you are totally incapable of figuring that one out.



Of bloody course I bloody well know the most recent side to be relegated is Newcastle! Jeez wept! Don't you dare call me a name which implies I am stupid till you are in full posession of the facts about what one is implying and are sure! And you call me a nincompoop.:roll:

I would have thought though that the most number of times relegated is more important than who is most recently relegated, wouldn't you? Once relegated is no great worry. It is not a sign a club is in some kind of crisis or a state where something drastic needs to happen. A club is clearly less stable after several relegations than one that is relegated on the strength of just one.

THAT is the point I was trying to make in reply to your last comment about the team recently relegated. Whatever point you were trying to make about the condition of Newcastle compared to us I didn't agree and that was my counter issue.

If it's the number of times it has occured, we have also won the league more times than them........
 
If it's the number of times it has occured, we have also won the league more times than them........

I know and appreciate that this stat means something to the sunderland fans, but realistically do you think any potential signing is going to be that impressed that the last league title was pre world war 1 ?
 
If it's the number of times it has occured, we have also won the league more times than them........

Good point. But for now let us not get to side tracked by league championships and just focus on times relegated.

You preach to a mag over a pint about how poor they were in the season they were relegated and they will laugh so hard they will get an aneurism.

They will only come at you about the 96-97 relegation where we perhaps woefully underprepared. The 02-03 season relegation. The one btw when we had three manager in one season/ Shortly after the Arsenal (a) defeat on Oct 6 Reid was sacked, by the Oct 19 we had Howard Wilkinson and by March 15 (5 months later) he was out and replaced by Mick McCarthy, and finished on 19pts. And last of all my first season as a ST holder, the infamous 05-06 season relegation with 15pts.
 
I know and appreciate that this stat means something to the sunderland fans, but realistically do you think any potential signing is going to be that impressed that the last league title was pre world war 1 ?
1936 actually

when was nufc's last top division title win?

villa one of your big clubs have won only one top division title in around 90 years

as is the case with spurs, man city and most certainly nufc.
 
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1936 actually

when was nufc's last top division title win?

villa one of your big clubs have won only one top division title in around 90 years

as is the case with spurs, man city and most certainly nufc.

1927 to answer your question, but we are not the ones suggesting that league titles that long ago would entice a player to sign for them.

Villa won the european cup and are a bigger club than sunderland to people outside looking in. Ask Darren Bent.

The point Im trying to make is that any neutral player when asked to chose between 2 clubs will only go on the criteria who is currently the biggest club and money.
 
1927 to answer your question, but we are not the ones suggesting that league titles that long ago would entice a player to sign for them.

Villa won the european cup and are a bigger club than sunderland to people outside looking in. Ask Darren Bent.

The point Im trying to make is that any neutral player when asked to chose between 2 clubs will only go on the criteria who is currently the biggest club and money.
sorry but cyril, the debate has gone on for a long time and everytime, your criteria for big clubs is shown to be false.

darren bent left for a 30 grand a week pay rise, simple as that. again i say to you that nufc and safc are in a group of 14 teams, to make up the numbers. dont kid yourself that any nufc player in the same situation, would not do exactly the same

nufc had a massive chance to win a trophy between 1992 and 2002 but failed, and this maybe hard for you to stomach but that chance is forever lost.

nufc are averaging about 7000 more crowd and may finish a point above, but lets remember, safc have gained 7 points in nigh on 4 months, yet nufc have surged just a point ahead. hardly time for an open top bus tour around the town is it not?
 
sorry but cyril, the debate has gone on for a long time and everytime, your criteria for big clubs is shown to be false.

darren bent left for a 30 grand a week pay rise, simple as that. again i say to you that nufc and safc are in a group of 14 teams, to make up the numbers. dont kid yourself that any nufc player in the same situation, would not do exactly the same

nufc had a massive chance to win a trophy between 1992 and 2002 but failed, and this maybe hard for you to stomach but that chance is forever lost.

nufc are averaging about 7000 more crowd and may finish a point above, but lets remember, safc have gained 7 points in nigh on 4 months, yet nufc have surged just a point ahead. hardly time for an open top bus tour around the town is it not?

Look, I know that in every thread that involves us and yous someone has to make this point but I cant see the relevance in this when the thread is about currently what team would a player chose.

I also realise that newcastle players would do the same as bent, enrique already looks primed to do so, however whilst Bent went for better wages he also acknowledged that villa would enhance his england chances as it was a bigger platform to play on.

Also, whilst yous have only won 7 points in 4 months only points to the way the fixtures are stacked, yous had a good start with good wins ie spurs and chelsea, however soon as you had a tough run against better teams, the wheels fell of. The season is played over 38 games not 12.

And finally of course theres not going to be an open top bus ride, we stayed up which was the plan and done it fairly easily, throw in some cracking results such as arsenal home and away,villa, west ham, liverpool and obviously yous and its been a decent season.

anyway im off to the match to wave my shoes etc etc
 
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Look, I know that in every thread that involves us and yous someone has to make this point but I cant see the relevance in this when the thread is about currently what team would a player chose.

I also realise that newcastle players would do the same as bent, enrique already looks primed to do so, however whilst Bent went for better wages he also acknowledged that villa would enhance his england chances as it was a bigger platform to play on.

Also, whilst yous have only won 7 points in 4 months only points to the way the fixtures are stacked, yous had a good start with good wins ie spurs and chelsea, however soon as you had a tough run against better teams, the wheels fell of. The season is played over 38 games not 12.

And finally of course theres not going to be an open top bus ride, we stayed up which was the plan and done it fairly easily, throw in some cracking results such as arsenal home and away,villa, west ham, liverpool and obviously yous and its been a decent season.

anyway im off to the match to wave my shoes etc etc

do you not accept in any way, that safc have suffered from a lot of injuries and if those had not occured, we would not have picked up another 6 points?


the reason the point is made about 92 to 2002, that your attitude shows that you believe that nufc still are a draw, based on that recent history

you have not won a domestic trophy since the 1950s, so why do you assume you are "world renowned"?

as for runs v better teams, we were unbeaten against those better teams in the first half of the season, though in the second half we lost, partly down to having no forward line and a first choice defence out injured
 
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do you not accept in any way, that safc have suffered from a lot of injuries and if those had not occured, we would not have picked up another 6 points?


the reason the point is made about 92 to 2002, that your attitude shows that you believe that nufc still are a draw, based on that recent history

you have not won a domestic trophy since the 1950s, so why do you assume you are "world renowned"?

as for runs v better teams, we were unbeaten against those better teams in the first half of the season, though in the second half we lost, partly down to having no forward line and a first choice defence out injured

First up yes i do accept that injuries have played there part, as they have in most other teams, Newcastle included in a big way also, do i think yous could have picked up an extra 6 points ? i dont know, its ifs and buts.

And yes I do still think that the keegan / robson years are a pull. Players now who are in there 20's / early 30's would have grown watching that and I imagine would have been drawn into the sky wankathon around us. They have seen us in europe, champions league, fa cup finals and league runners up and perhaps thats how they will still see it. Coupled with an even bigger ground than we had then with bigger crowds and I still maintain that its a pull.
 
Have injuries marred our season? That is a question that has been asked for months.

Look at finding the answer in another way. Ask yourselves whether or not we would have had the run of results from about February onward without the list of injuries and you have one way of getting an answer.

How can anyone serious suggest we wouldn't still be in the position we are in if we didn't have a cripping injury list. The team we have? We don't need a crippling injury list to go from a team that look dead certs for an early top 10 finish to looking at the possibility of relagation and looking at forthcoming games as unlikely ones to get us away from the relegation zone.
 
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