Notre Dame (Paris) on fire?

sonson

Striker
What does the building derive its significance from? And what does it symbollically represent? Sure, it's aesthetically a beautiful building, but, symbollically, it's difficult to see how it's actually a bad thing that it's burning to the ground.
It has stood for a multitude of different things over nearly a millennium. Ignoring everything else that has changed around it over that time-politics, culture, war, peace-even if you just examined the change in the concept of Church itself that has happened in the past 900 years it’s been there, what it’s stood for, what it’s opposed, at what point, who, why etc, that’s a big deal.

And look at when it was built and built upon, and how, and why, and with what tools and knowledge etc. It’s absolutely arguable that for all our advances in construction and technology, there will never again be a building built which matches it’s beauty and iconic stature in all that remains of our species history.

The erosion or destruction of anything that has seen humanity in all its scope, evil, dreadful, beautiful and glorious all at once, for a very long period of time, is a profound loss. It is a reminder that some (most) things are bigger than us and our mortality. We share in a massive and complex narrative for a mere fraction of time. Notre Dame and buildings like it speak to a truth of existence that no one life ever can.

And now my newly born nephew will never get to visit it like I have. It’s gone. Survived countless revolutions, wars, World War Fucking 2, now just snuffsd out on a Monday. Something as seemingly immortal as that. It’s a very existential moment.
 
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FootballFan

Striker
'Hundreds of firemen of the Paris Fire Brigade are doing everything they can to bring the terrible #NotreDame fire under control. All means are being used, except for water-bombing aircrafts which, if used, could lead to the collapse of the entire structure of the cathedral.'
Sécurité Civile Fr on Twitter
and which if not used could lead to the whole thing burnt to a crisp

I think Trump was suggesting something similar, seems the only way
 
So, in a building that was struggling to get funding for 150m euros worth of repairs, a catastrophic fire breaks out 5 minutes after it closes to the public and all the artwork is saved.

Enter Alex Jones......
They’ll have had a major incident plan. It’s not necessarily suspicious that they were able to save their prized possessions.

The fact that the fire started five minutes after it closed, is more suspicious in my opinion.
 

FootballFan

Striker
They’ll have had a major incident plan. It’s not necessarily suspicious that they were able to save their prized possessions.

The fact that the fire started five minutes after it closed, is more suspicious in my opinion.
Insurance scam?

It might have something to do with all the news reports stating 'the cause is not known yet'.

Or have I been whooshed?
somebody will know something
 

AlpineExile

Striker
Then you are strange as well . Would you advocate your children running into that building to try to save stuff? Or would you be normal and say it's not worth it
So what you're saying is that you can't understand? Why not just say that then instead of trying to bring my children into it?
 

Rick O Shea

Winger
You can disagree. There are 7.5 billion people. People voluntarily die for principles frequently. I'm not suggesting people should have been allowed to die simply out of negligence or apathy, but I wouldn't fault anyone who ran into a burning building trying to save some of the stuff inside or the building itself. It's their choice.



Are you also unable to read the translation I provided?
I agree with you - it's a bit like the film 'The Monuments Men' - should they have risked their lives to save thousands of works of art from the Nazis? I think it's down to the individual. We shouldn't underestimate the importance of our history - we can learn so much from it.

It's a very sad day.
 
It has stood for a multitude of different things over nearly a millennium. Ignoring everything else that has changed around it over that time-politics, culture, war, peace-even if you just examined the change in the concept of Church itself that has happened in the past 900 years it’s been there, what it’s stood for, what it’s opposed, at what point, who, why etc, that’s a big deal.

And look at when it was built and built upon, and how, and why, and with what tools and knowledge etc. It’s absolutely arguable that for all our advances in construction and technology, there will never again be a building built which matches it’s beauty and iconic stature in all that remains of our species history.

The erosion or destruction of anything that has seen humanity in all its scope, evil, dreadful, beautiful and glorious all at once, for a very long period of time, is a profound loss. It is a reminder that some (most) things are bigger than us and our mortality. We share in a massive and complex narrative for a mere fraction of time. Notre Dame and buildings like it speak to a truth of existence that no one life ever can.

And now my newly born nephew will never get to visit it like I have. It’s gone. Survived countless revolutions, wars, World War Fucking 2, now just snuffsd out on a Monday. Something as seemingly immortal as that. It’s a very existential moment.
Fucking hell man.
 
So what you're saying is that you can't understand? Why not just say that then instead of trying to bring my children into it?
He said any of us humans . That includes all of us , and all our children. You said you can understand it, but it doesn't seem as nice when your own family are mentioned. This is why i don't agree with his statement. I'll just leave you to the thread now, and you can carry on licking his hoop
 

Thurston

Winger
It has stood for a multitude of different things over nearly a millennium. Ignoring everything else that has changed around it over that time-politics, culture, war, peace-even if you just examined the change in the concept of Church itself that has happened in the past 900 years it’s been there, what it’s stood for, what it’s opposed, at what point, who, why etc, that’s a big deal.

And look at when it was built and built upon, and how, and why, and with what tools and knowledge etc. It’s absolutely arguable that for all our advances in construction and technology, there will never again be a building built which matches it’s beauty and iconic stature in all that remains of our species history.

The erosion or destruction of anything that has seen humanity in all its scope, evil, dreadful, beautiful and glorious all at once, for a very long period of time, is a profound loss. It is a reminder that some (most) things are bigger than us and our mortality. We share in a massive and complex narrative for a mere fraction of time. Notre Dame and buildings like it speak to a truth of existence that no one life ever can.

And now my newly born nephew will never get to visit it like I have. It’s gone. Survived countless revolutions, wars, World War Fucking 2, now just snuffsd out on a Monday. Something as seemingly immortal as that. It’s a very existential moment.
Good post.

My argument is that as a species, we have to continue to progress. Hence, your second paragraph is particuarly interesting. If we have made advances in construction and technology, but haven't actually been able to build anything as a species to surpass it, then we haven't progressed and we can't truly say we've advanced in any meaningful sense. We're stagnant, and standing in thrall of old monuments such as Notre Dame - as beautiful as they were. Old building and monuments collapsing, or being destroyed by whatever means is the natural order of things. The goal always has to be build something better. Or else, what's the fucking point? Existential, indeed.
 

Rick O Shea

Winger
They’ll have had a major incident plan. It’s not necessarily suspicious that they were able to save their prized possessions.

The fact that the fire started five minutes after it closed, is more suspicious in my opinion.
I would assume that they would've already moved a lot of the important artifacts for the renovation works.

When Aberdeen Grammar School burned down a few years ago it was a down to a painter's blow torch igniting some old newspapers that had been stuffed into a window cavity - old dry paper and timber goes up pretty quickly.
 

Kent_Mackem

Striker
It will be fascinating to see how the believers justify this one. Presumably it was due to two gay lads sitting too close to each other on the sofa as they watched TV somewhere near Swindon.
 

sonson

Striker
Good post.

My argument is that as a species, we have to continue to progress. Hence, your second paragraph is particuarly interesting. If we have made advances in construction and technology, but haven't actually been able to build anything as a species to surpass it, then we haven't progressed and we can't truly say we've advanced in any meaningful sense. We're stagnant, and standing in thrall of old monuments such as Notre Dame - as beautiful as they were. Old building and monuments collapsing, or being destroyed by whatever means is the natural order of things. The goal always has to be build something better. Or else, what's the fucking point? Existential, indeed.
In order to progress you need to take the Good with the bad. The main issue with Western Society since WW2 in my view is that we’ve been so frightened by where veveration for History got us-Germany in particular-that we’ve tried to act like it never happened or that only bad can come of investing in it.

But as the past few years have suggested, futurism leaves a very flimsy foundation for a species inherently interested in knowing where it has come from, and also, prejudice, inequality, violence, war, greed and all that bad stuff is simply always going to be part of our species and it’s condition. Basically because they are the scars that come with being left behind or out in the cold as the victors move on planning their new utopia.

By acting like it dosent need to be indebted to the past, as well as cautious of it, we’ve taken the history of our species and suggested that we’re the ones who uniquely have got it right, failing to understand that the very act of doing such is a symptom of decline repeated timevand time again throughout history. The only unique thing about us doing it is we have greater collective cultural and historical ignorance of the fact that it’s happening, sadly.
 
It will be fascinating to see how the believers justify this one. Presumably it was due to two gay lads sitting too close to each other on the sofa as they watched TV somewhere near Swindon.
I hope you realise that the lunatics on either side of the spectrum are just as mental as each other. It’s clear which side of the lunatic spectrum you belong.
 

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