No More Petrol Cars from 2030

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ok so a 30 minute charge will see you easily get to London

But we're basing that on being plenty of chargers available. If there isn't then I could be held up for over an hour.

The current problem is the massive lack of infrastructure & zero faith in this government to deliver it.

Oh and the 200+ mile cars aren't yet affordable. So I'd probably need 2 stop offs. Which could end up being a right pain in the arse

Cornwall would be a nightmare
 
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But we're basing that on being plenty of chargers available. If there isn't then I could be held up for over an hour.

The current problem is the massive lack of infrastructure & zero faith in this government to deliver it.

Oh and the 200+ mile cars aren't yet affordable. So I'd probably need 2 stop offs. Which could end up being a right pain in the arse

Cornwall would be a nightmare
yeah I get that people are getting hung up on whats available now. When I first went on dial up it would take 30 minutes to download a soft porn image
 
yeah I get that people are getting hung up on whats available now. When I first went on dial up it would take 30 minutes to download a soft porn image

I must have missed it when they banned dial up before superfast broadband was invented.

I'm not disputing the tech will improve, but it seems daft to have a proposed ban based on something that might not happen.

Even the motor industry is sceptical over the timescale
 
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Bit silly driving 360 miles without a stop.

I didn't say I didn't stop. I worked there for 6 hours and came back. No charge points at the place of work.

The fact is, electric cars haven't got the range other petrol or diesel cars have.
And you could do that trip in an EV with one stop.

So firstly, it's irresponsible to drive 180 miles without a break, so if you stop at any service station on the motorway they have fast charges that would give you enough charge in 20 mins to complete that journey.

Secondly, just find a charge point overnight, and that's easy enough to do.

a 360 mile trip, just isn't a problem.

how many do you need, there are more charging points than petrol stations.

The point is, there are loads across the country, and loads locally. It's easy to charge your car.

There are now more than 30,000 charge points across the UK in over 11,000 locations - that's more public places to charge than petrol stations, with around 10,000 charge points added in 2019 alone

There are only 8,300 petrol stations.


Could you tell me how I'd charge the car at my place of work, after the 180 miles.

As for irresponsible, if I feel tired, I pull over, if I don't , I don't.
 
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No one with an electric car ever has to wait for a charging point to become available then? Interesting.

Let's hope you don't forget to plug it in then 😁
I'm sure some people do have to wait, just like you sometimes have to wait at a petrol station.

It's not a problem thougb
I didn't say I didn't stop. I worked there for 6 hours and came back. No charge points at the place of work.

The fact is, electric cars haven't got the range other petrol or diesel cars have.



Could you tell me how I'd charge the car at my place of work, after the 180 miles.

As for irresponsible, if I feel tired, I pull over, if I don't , I don't.
Do they have electricity where you work? If so plug it in.

You should pull over for a rest ever two hours as concentration drops after that time, regardless of how you feel.

When you pull over - pull over at one of the thousands of charging points and give it a quick charge.
But we're basing that on being plenty of chargers available. If there isn't then I could be held up for over an hour.

The current problem is the massive lack of infrastructure & zero faith in this government to deliver it.

Oh and the 200+ mile cars aren't yet affordable. So I'd probably need 2 stop offs. Which could end up being a right pain in the arse

Cornwall would be a nightmare
Two stop offs on the way to Cornwall is just safe driving.
 
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Do they have electricity where you work? If so plug it in.

Plug it in where? I work at distribtuion centres around the country, so you can imagine, the car parks are quite vast.

You should pull over for a rest ever two hours as concentration drops after that time, regardless of how you feel.

Hmmm,really? You're quoting the highway code to me again, which is a recommendation.

An HGV driver can driver for 5 and a half hours before a break of at least 30 mins, are car drivers different?
 
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I must have missed it when they banned dial up before superfast broadband was invented.

I'm not disputing the tech will improve, but it seems daft to have a proposed ban based on something that might not happen.

Even the motor industry is sceptical over the timescale
no-one banned it, but was obsolete once broadband came into play, it then also drove innovation

I'm not expert in Automotive, although I have worked in the sector twice now, but working in IT and specifically the evolution of mobile technology at 3 global companies , the parallels are there
 
The I-Pace takes 13 hours to fully charge at home, an hours charge at home will get you 20 miles! Not for me thanks, I think I'll let the early adopters have them until the time comes when graphene batteries become practical.


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3-pin plugHome39 h7 m/h
3.7kWHome / Work25 h11 m/h
7kWHome / Work / Public Locations13 h20 m/h
22kWWork / Public Locations8 h32 m/h
20%-80%
50kWPublic Locations70 min73 m/30 min
150kWPublic Locations40 min145 m/30 min
That’s if you charge it with a regular plug mate, you’re charging a car not making 2 slices of f***ing toast
 
Plug it in where? I work at distribtuion centres around the country, so you can imagine, the car parks are quite vast.



Hmmm,really? You're quoting the highway code to me again, which is a recommendation.

An HGV driver can driver for 5 and a half hours before a break of at least 30 mins, are car drivers different?

i’m the same, neither my work base or majority of sites i’d go to have charging points. My day also changes short notice and often isn’t planned until i turn up.

i’ve nothing against the idea of EV’s, just don’t think the cars or infrastructure is anywhere near right and far from convinced 10 years is long enough to do it or convince enough people to switch. We’ll see in time

suppose its a good excuse to buy something silly for next 10 years or so:lol:
 
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i’m the same, neither my work base or majority of sites i’d go to have charging points. My day also changes short notice and often isn’t planned until i turn up.

i’ve nothing against the idea of EV’s, just don’t think the cars or infrastructure is anywhere near right and far from convinced 10 years is long enough to do it or convince enough people to switch. We’ll see in time

suppose its a good excuse to buy something silly for next 10 years or so:lol:

Same here.
 
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i’m the same, neither my work base or majority of sites i’d go to have charging points. My day also changes short notice and often isn’t planned until i turn up.

i’ve nothing against the idea of EV’s, just don’t think the cars or infrastructure is anywhere near right and far from convinced 10 years is long enough to do it or convince enough people to switch. We’ll see in time

suppose its a good excuse to buy something silly for next 10 years or so:lol:
Said a few times, my experience of the public charging network is not good and needs resolving urgently. Too many networks, too many apps, too many problems activating chargers, too much of a fuck on.

Needs to be more like the Tesla network which is always available, always works, and takes about 5 seconds from pulling up to getting car on charge, and charges amazingly fast.

9 years isn’t long in the automotive industry, but most car manufacturers had already all but stopped investing in r and d for petrol/diesel cars anyway.

the grid is capable and will be transformed in the next decade where cars will feed on to the grid and vide versa, solar and battery storage will be commonplace, but there’s a lot of work to do in that time. As luck would have it, I’m an electrical design engineer so should be a fair bit of graft in it for me!
 
Said a few times, my experience of the public charging network is not good and needs resolving urgently. Too many networks, too many apps, too many problems activating chargers, too much of a fuck on.

Needs to be more like the Tesla network which is always available, always works, and takes about 5 seconds from pulling up to getting car on charge, and charges amazingly fast.

9 years isn’t long in the automotive industry, but most car manufacturers had already all but stopped investing in r and d for petrol/diesel cars anyway.

the grid is capable and will be transformed in the next decade where cars will feed on to the grid and vide versa, solar and battery storage will be commonplace, but there’s a lot of work to do in that time. As luck would have it, I’m an electrical design engineer so should be a fair bit of graft in it for me!

If a company can do for all cars what Tesla have done for theirs in regards to charging, ideally with huge government subsidies, then it could work. Ionity are making a stab at this but they charge far, far too much - £0.69 per kwh. Tesla charge £0.26.

Now if I needed charge and that was all that was available I'd be happy to pay it, because right now I have the benefit of entirely free charging at work and entirely free charging just down the road, kindly provided by my local council, but to fully charge my car with Ionity, it would cost an insane £58, or 24p a mile, which is roughly equivalent to a car getting 25mpg.
 
Plug it in where? I work at distribtuion centres around the country, so you can imagine, the car parks are quite vast.



Hmmm,really? You're quoting the highway code to me again, which is a recommendation.

An HGV driver can driver for 5 and a half hours before a break of at least 30 mins
, are car drivers different?

it's 4 and a half and a 45 minute break or you can split into 15 then a 30 before the 4 and a half.
 
I'm sure some people do have to wait, just like you sometimes have to wait at a petrol station.

It's not a problem thougb

Do they have electricity where you work? If so plug it in.

You should pull over for a rest ever two hours as concentration drops after that time, regardless of how you feel.

When you pull over - pull over at one of the thousands of charging points and give it a quick charge.

Two stop offs on the way to Cornwall is just safe driving.

Where did I say that?
Cornwall would be about 5 stop offs
 

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