No More Petrol Cars from 2030

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Of course you you do, but I'll give you an example. I filled a hired Qashqai yesterday morning to travel to Coventry and back last night/early this morning, thats a 360 mile round trip and made it with quarter of a tank to spare. I couldn't do that with an electric.

I've had an Ioniq as a hire car and loved it, really good. My brothers wife has a Tesla and the power is unbelevable. All I'm saying, is for range or long trips, they're still way short of convential cars.
And you could do that trip in an EV with one stop.

So firstly, it's irresponsible to drive 180 miles without a break, so if you stop at any service station on the motorway they have fast charges that would give you enough charge in 20 mins to complete that journey.

Secondly, just find a charge point overnight, and that's easy enough to do.

a 360 mile trip, just isn't a problem.
Hardly 'loads' considering that's nationwide.
how many do you need, there are more charging points than petrol stations.

The point is, there are loads across the country, and loads locally. It's easy to charge your car.
Hardly 'loads' considering that's nationwide.
There are now more than 30,000 charge points across the UK in over 11,000 locations - that's more public places to charge than petrol stations, with around 10,000 charge points added in 2019 alone

There are only 8,300 petrol stations.
 
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And this site doesn't include them all.

Anything over 40kw will be quick enough for most.

Filtered to only rapid chargers...

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And how does an EV affect that?

Knackered if you live in Peterlee then.
1 in Aldi car park & that's it.
 
Whey that's understandable.

TBF the model 3 seems to be the best of the lot so far.
There are loads of good ones comin
Of course you you do, but I'll give you an example. I filled a hired Qashqai yesterday morning to travel to Coventry and back last night/early this morning, thats a 360 mile round trip and made it with quarter of a tank to spare. I couldn't do that with an electric.

I've had an Ioniq as a hire car and loved it, really good. My brothers wife has a Tesla and the power is unbelevable. All I'm saying, is for range or long trips, they're still way short of convential cars.
Bit silly driving 360 miles without a stop.

did Oxford and back in a day a few weeks back, stop for a piss and some food and it’s charged enough to crack on by the time I got back to car.
 
There are now more than 30,000 charge points across the UK in over 11,000 locations - that's more public places to charge than petrol stations, with around 10,000 charge points added in 2019 alone

There are only 8,300 petrol stations.
That figure covers all types of charging points, including the slow ones. How many pumps does your average petrol station have?
Knackered if you live in Peterlee then.
1 in Aldi car park & that's it.
The coverage for the north east in general is poor.
 
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People complaining about range when most cars can’t do more than 500 miles between fill ups and when long journeys are simply not undertaken often enough for it to be a big problem. Standard.
 
People complaining about range when most cars can’t do more than 500 miles between fill ups and when long journeys are simply not undertaken often enough for it to be a big problem. Standard.

It's the time it takes to charge, and potentially how long you might need to queue to get a charger if non available is the issue. If you could charge up full in 5 mins then range wouldn't be much of an issue
 
That figure covers all types of charging points, including the slow ones. How many pumps does your average petrol station have?

The coverage for the north east in general is poor.
I can only use one charging point at a time, I've never yet had to queue.

You're desperately trying to make this into a problem, despite those who have an EV telling you it's not.
Because most are too heavy to handle well. Taycan is apparently good mind.
how often do you drive where that will matter unless you're going to private racetracks, you shouldn't be driving in a way for it to make a difference.
It's the time it takes to charge, and potentially how long you might need to queue to get a charger if non available is the issue. If you could charge up full in 5 mins then range wouldn't be much of an issue
It's just not a problem, and it's far easy to stick it on charge overnight at home than it is to fill a petrol car up. Not to mention five-times cheaper.
Knackered if you live in Peterlee then.
1 in Aldi car park & that's it.
There's only two petrol stations in Peterlee.
That figure covers all types of charging points, including the slow ones. How many pumps does your average petrol station have?

The coverage for the north east in general is poor.
It's not poor at all, most supermarkets have them, many car parks have them, some workplaces have them and then you've got dedicated charge points like down Hendon or at Birtley services, not to mention most EV owners have one at home.

It's easier to charge your EV than fill a petrol car, where I've got to go out of my way to get to a petrol station.
 
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It's the time it takes to charge, and potentially how long you might need to queue to get a charger if non available is the issue. If you could charge up full in 5 mins then range wouldn't be much of an issue
Oh no I might have to charge my car overnight instead of wasting time going to a petrol station in a morning. How will I ever cope!
 
I can only use one charging point at a time, I've never yet had to queue.

You're desperately trying to make this into a problem, despite those who have an EV telling you it's not.
No one with an electric car ever has to wait for a charging point to become available then? Interesting.
Oh no I might have to charge my car overnight instead of wasting time going to a petrol station in a morning. How will I ever cope!
Let's hope you don't forget to plug it in then 😁
 
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Compared to any decent handling car. Where to start? What about a Hyundai i30N? Guaranteed to handle better than any current Audi.
Id have an S5 over one of those every day tbh but each to their own, just read a few reviews and charmless and unexciting to drive seems to be the common theme.
But we all have different tastes in cars I guess.
 
Oh no I might have to charge my car overnight instead of wasting time going to a petrol station in a morning. How will I ever cope!

No, we're discussing long trips.
You've charged car overnight & now out of charge. Your service station stop off in now could be over an hour instead of 15 mins
I can only use one charging point at a time, I've never yet had to queue.

You're desperately trying to make this into a problem, despite those who have an EV telling you it's not.

how often do you drive where that will matter unless you're going to private racetracks, you shouldn't be driving in a way for it to make a difference.

It's just not a problem, and it's far easy to stick it on charge overnight at home than it is to fill a petrol car up. Not to mention five-times cheaper.

There's only two petrol stations in Peterlee.

It's not poor at all, most supermarkets have them, many car parks have them, some workplaces have them and then you've got dedicated charge points like down Hendon or at Birtley services, not to mention most EV owners have one at home.

It's easier to charge your EV than fill a petrol car, where I've got to go out of my way to get to a petrol station.

There's 3 stations in Peterlee. In total theres about 20 pumps. Each one is in use 2 mins at a time.
 
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No, we're discussing long trips.
You've charged car overnight & now out of charge. Your service station stop off in now could be over an hour instead of 15 mins
you've driven around 200 miles - how much further are you going?
 
Sales reps and other field based folk will be stuffed unless there's a charging point at the hotel that's free.
They won't work for every person as it stands today but probably 75% of folk, I picked that out of the air.
But in a couple of years the ranges will be way longer and charging faster, that's all vw are progressing at the min and you don't get to be the largest car maker in the world without looking ahead or knowing what you're doing.
 
I love mine but it wouldn't put me off getting a decent size petrol or diesel if it was a car I fancied, there are more and more electric coming on stream like so they will get even better and cheaper I guess.
And the reverse with ice's, vw stopped all r&d into ice's last year I think.
If I end up wfh long term id def consider not having my electric and buying a cheap fast petrol or diesel or a classic.
Was looking at a lovely Capri last week ha ha.

Nah new vw are pretty cost effective and well over 200 miles

Nah new vw are pretty cost effective and well over 200 miles

Where do you live, did mine in an hour. Just tapped off the meter on my outside wall. Might be trickier if your meter is in the house?

Average UK commute is 23 mile round trip so they cater for all of that which is a big chunk.

I would


I've had a look at some of the VW's
The "affordable" one, is the tiny up! At £20k does 150 miles.
The ID3 costs £40k

I stand by my point.
 
I've had a look at some of the VW's
The "affordable" one, is the tiny up! At £20k does 150 miles.
The ID3 costs £40k

I stand by my point.
You can get an id3 for 32k a half decent golf is 25k and its basically its replacement.
Then fuel savings etc.
As I say they ain't for everyone but 2 year ago you prob couldn't get a nice electric for under 50k so prices are def dropping.
 

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