No More Petrol Cars from 2030

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Can't think of many things less efficient than lugging a load of cars down to London on a train ffs. :lol:

I once saw a travel programme where another country did this. Can't remember where it was but think it might have been Sweden/Norway
 
2k per year for highest VED isnt going to discourage a Bentley driver

I think it could. If there was 2k a year VED for the life of the vehicle it would cripple residuals. The plebs who buy the rich folks cast offs will feel differently about a 2k per year tax.

Loads are sold on PCP now and it would make the monthlies ridiculous if the residuals tank.
 
I think it could. If there was 2k a year VED for the life of the vehicle it would cripple residuals. The plebs who buy the rich folks cast offs will feel differently about a 2k per year tax.

Loads are sold on PCP now and it would make the monthlies ridiculous if the residuals tank.
£2k is what it is now for those types of cars

I was looking to get the coupe one a while ago as they are cheap to buy - but cost a fortune to run. So anyone that buys one takes that into account
£2k is what it is now for those types of cars

I was looking to get the coupe one a while ago as they are cheap to buy - but cost a fortune to run. So anyone that buys one takes that into account
edit - the Bentley 6 litre I was looking is only £600 py as its older
 
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£2k is what it is now for those types of cars

I was looking to get the coupe one a while ago as they are cheap to buy - but cost a fortune to run. So anyone that buys one takes that into account

I believe it’s only 2k in the first year now, then about 500 a year after for years 1-6. Drops to the base rate after that so about 150 a year. Parts servicing and maintenance will be brutal.
 
£2k is what it is now for those types of cars

I was looking to get the coupe one a while ago as they are cheap to buy - but cost a fortune to run. So anyone that buys one takes that into account

edit - the Bentley 6 litre I was looking is only £600 py as its older
Vehicle Excise Duty first year tax rates for cars registered after 1 April 2020
Emissions (g/km) CO2First year rate PETROL and RDE2 DIESEL cars 2019-2020First year rate PETROL and RDE2 DIESEL cars 2020-2021IncreaseFirst Year rate for non-RDE2 DIESEL cars 2019-2020First Year rate for non-RDE2 DIESEL cars 2020-2021IncreaseALTERNATIVE FUEL cars 2019-2020ALTERNATIVE FUEL cars 2020-2021Increase
0£0£0£0£0£0£0£0£0£0
1-50£10£10£0£25£25£0£0£0£0
51-75£25£25£0£110£110£0£15£15£0
76-90£110£110£0£130£135£5£100£100£0
91-100£130£135£5£150£155£5£120£125£5
101-110£150£155£5£170£175£5£140£145£5
111-130£170£175£5£210£215£5£160£165£5
131-150£210£215£5£530£540£10£200£205£5
151-170£530£540£10£855£870£15£520£530£10
171-190£855£870£15£1,280£1,305£25£845£860£15
191-225£1,280£1,305£25£1,815£1,850£35£1,270£1,295£25
226-255£1,815£1,850£35£2,135£2,175£40£1,805£1,840£35
Over 255£2,135£2,175£40£2,135£2,175£40£2,125£2,165£40
 
How do you charge the car if you have to park outside in the street? Til that's sorted this is just plain ridiculous.
Charging points in lamp posts they reckon.
I'll not hold my breath on that one. The whole idea is mental imo. Just wait till all the eco warriors are getting taxed to fuck for charging up.
 
Charging points in lamp posts they reckon.
I'll not hold my breath on that one. The whole idea is mental imo. Just wait till all the eco warriors are getting taxed to fuck for charging up.
Under ten years to ramp up the National Grid (new, 'clean' Power stations etc) to ensure the capability to charge all the new vehicles is there.

Under ten years to (probably) upgrade the wiring to all urban (and a fair few suburban and rural) lampposts to handle the extra wattage needed for charging.

Under ten years to manufacture and replace (or upgrade) all urban (and a fair few suburban and rural) lampposts with ones with built-in charging points.

Under ten years to install charging points in all houses that have the capability to house one.

Sorry, like. Not going to happen.
 
Some people are going to do loads less miles due to wfh and reduced business travel, surely that’s not going to steer them toward EV’s as the potential fuel saving has massively diminished.

That being said maybe it will help to bring the prices down. I don’t believe that EV’s are priced higher just based on cost, they are priced factoring in the running cost savings that people cab make. If the savings reduce, the prices might get adjusted a bit.
 
O/T but on a similar theme, just caught the news headlines earlier about gas boilers in homes being phased out. How and when is this meant to be happening then, question to anyone who has been paying attention to this stuff?
 
Under ten years to ramp up the National Grid (new, 'clean' Power stations etc) to ensure the capability to charge all the new vehicles is there.

Under ten years to (probably) upgrade the wiring to all urban (and a fair few suburban and rural) lampposts to handle the extra wattage needed for charging.

Under ten years to manufacture and replace (or upgrade) all urban (and a fair few suburban and rural) lampposts with ones with built-in charging points.

Under ten years to install charging points in all houses that have the capability to house one.

Sorry, like. Not going to happen.
Totally agree. It's taking them 3 years to put a bridge owa the A19 ffs. 😊
O/T but on a similar theme, just caught the news headlines earlier about gas boilers in homes being phased out. How and when is this meant to be happening then, question to anyone who has been paying attention to this stuff?
No gas boilers In new homes by 2025.
 
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Under ten years to ramp up the National Grid (new, 'clean' Power stations etc) to ensure the capability to charge all the new vehicles is there.

Under ten years to (probably) upgrade the wiring to all urban (and a fair few suburban and rural) lampposts to handle the extra wattage needed for charging.

Under ten years to manufacture and replace (or upgrade) all urban (and a fair few suburban and rural) lampposts with ones with built-in charging points.

Under ten years to install charging points in all houses that have the capability to house one.

Sorry, like. Not going to happen.
Of course it isnt. Just usual government bullshit to grab a few headlines.
 
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Driving an EV gas saved me a fortune so far, don’t think I could ever go back it would feel like stepping back in time.
I love mine but it wouldn't put me off getting a decent size petrol or diesel if it was a car I fancied, there are more and more electric coming on stream like so they will get even better and cheaper I guess.
And the reverse with ice's, vw stopped all r&d into ice's last year I think.
If I end up wfh long term id def consider not having my electric and buying a cheap fast petrol or diesel or a classic.
Was looking at a lovely Capri last week ha ha.
I'm not seeing much hoing on up here.
I did see a report suggesting that we're miles off the level needed to reach this target.

Maybe this is part of the post covid economic recovery manufacturing boost. Cos it does need massively ramping up to meet this target


And the ones that have them ranges cost the same as the price of a house. I know prices should come down, but we're currently miles off
Nah new vw are pretty cost effective and well over 200 miles
I'm not seeing much hoing on up here.
I did see a report suggesting that we're miles off the level needed to reach this target.

Maybe this is part of the post covid economic recovery manufacturing boost. Cos it does need massively ramping up to meet this target


And the ones that have them ranges cost the same as the price of a house. I know prices should come down, but we're currently miles off
Nah new vw are pretty cost effective and well over 200 miles
I live in semi detached with a garage and driveway and pod point did an assessment and decided they couldn't put a point in where we live. Can't see the infrastructure being anywhere near ready for everyone to drive electric cars in 10 years.
Where do you live, did mine in an hour. Just tapped off the meter on my outside wall. Might be trickier if your meter is in the house?
Read my posts on this thread. The range is their weakpoint. They might be quicker than the Audis/BMWs/Mercs, but they will keep going while you have to pull over to charge up.
Average UK commute is 23 mile round trip so they cater for all of that which is a big chunk.
If Jaguar offered to exchange your I-Pace for an F-Pace, would you turn them down?
I would
 
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Assume that means electric heating and cooker hobs?

More strain on a National Grid that is already struggling - how does that help?
Drive towards electrification, heat pump boilers, solar generation, battery storage, passive house design, modern methods of construction.
 
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thats your opinion, a one that a lot would disagree with especially for driving experience/enjoyment

no doubt they’ll improve and there will be a lot more choice for more sensible money over the next10 years. Will the infrastructure be ready then, i have my doubts its achievable.

I never have any problems charging now, so the Infrastucture is already here, it just needs to keep up with demand.

I don’t understand how driving a car with inferior power and torque can be more enjoyable? More familiar i agree but EVs are at more fun.
By driving to a petrol station and buying petrol. Takes a few minutes so hardly a comparable scenario.
So drive to a charging point, the fast ones are 20-30 mins, filling your car take 5-10 depending on if there is a queue paying.
 
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