No More Petrol Cars from 2030

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the price of fuel won't be driven by availability but by "the need to save the planet"
I agree the need to reduce emissions, just making the point that this also creates an opportunity to pull in some much-needed revenue
Will definitely see the govt make the most of the last few years of fuel duty. A double whammy for them as they can also starting ramping up charges on electric cars.
 
I live in semi detached with a garage and driveway and pod point did an assessment and decided they could install one, and did so in about an hour.

Why couldn't they do it for you?
Garage is detached and about four metres from the house so they couldn't do it. People in flats and apartments are going to struggle.
 
Performance and technology. I am referring only to the regular cars you see on the road, not inclusive of supercars. Why would you want any of BMW or Mercedes’ top efforts when you could have a better, quicker Tesla S?
If Jaguar offered to exchange your I-Pace for an F-Pace, would you turn them down?
 
What's going to become of the thousands of petrol stations?

Halfway on your camping holidays, just nipping into Scotch Corner for a Ginsters and a six hour wait while you charge the fucker.
Could have some sort of replaceable battery set up. I.e, if your battery fails you pop into the battery station to swap it out so you have another 100 miles. Along them lines anyway. Long way off yet though
 
Read my posts on this thread. The range is their weakpoint. They might be quicker than the Audis/BMWs/Mercs, but they will keep going while you have to pull over to charge up.

Indeed, I can’t argue against that, but if you plan around it, it’s worth it.

I’ve done the best part of 6,000 miles in my EV at the cost of...£5. Which was a fine I got for an overstay in a charge point :lol:
 
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Performance and technology. I am referring only to the regular cars you see on the road, not inclusive of supercars. Why would you want any of BMW or Mercedes’ top efforts when you could have a better, quicker Tesla S?

Tesla build quality is shocking. Some people enjoy ICE cars, the power delivery, sounds, smells etc. Call it odd if you want but people like different things.

Also, better is subjective.

EDIT: The environmental impact of building an EV is significantly worse than an equivalent ICE car. Not to mention our throwaway culture here in the UK, meaning cars are getting scrapped earlier, meaning more new cars need to built. A switch to all EV will see the environmental cost of building cars increase.
 
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Build quality is poor on Tesla’s

I have heard much the same, but at the same time, owners and drivers seem happy.
Tesla build quality is shocking. Some people enjoy ICE cars, the power delivery, sounds, smells etc. Call it odd if you want but people like different things.

Also, better is subjective.

I concede they’ve had their issues but I think they’re a little overblown.

I get people enjoy ICE cars but they’re objectively worse in almost all aspects.
 
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I have heard much the same, but at the same time, owners and drivers seem happy.


I concede they’ve had their issues but I think they’re a little overblown.

I get people enjoy ICE cars but they’re objectively worse in almost all aspects.

I do agree with that in most aspects.

A few other issues where ICE cars seem to be objectively better, my edit above RE, the environmental impact/cost of building an EV car compared to an equivalent ICE car.

EV cars tend to be heavier than their ICE equivalents, they produce more (i've forgot the word :oops:) small particulates?? Harder on tyres, so more miniscule bits of rubber in the air (this is believe it or not a problem).

Economic issues - The materials needed to produce the batteries are a finite resource. The people doing the mining are as good as slaves. Now I'm not 100% sure on this last point but aren't the vast majority of these minerals located in one country?
 
I do agree with that in most aspects.

A few other issues where ICE cars seem to be objectively better, my edit above RE, the environmental impact/cost of building an EV car compared to an equivalent ICE car.

EV cars tend to be heavier than their ICE equivalents, they produce more (i've forgot the word :oops:) small particulates?? Harder on tyres, so more miniscule bits of rubber in the air (this is believe it or not a problem).

Economic issues - The materials needed to produce the batteries are a finite resource. The people doing the mining are as good as slaves. Now I'm not 100% sure on this last point but aren't the vast majority of these minerals located in one country?

Ah, I didn’t see your edit. There are very much issues around the raw materials needed. I think ethically they are the greater good but they’re not a perfect environmental solution just yet, absolutely not.
Your obsession with Tesla is a tad strange mind.

It probably stems from my path logically low self-esteem which leads me to associate concepts of success with the ownership of premium, material goods, as a proxy for wholesome and fulfilling things like friends, family and love.
 
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Could be staggered. Petrol cars until say, 2035 if they’re the lowest possible emissions category.

I’ve never driven anything horrendously polluting and have no idea why people do
i don't think the majority knows where their transport fits in the pollution charts
its not really what people look for although these days its becoming so ,driven by taxes etc
If you've plenty money a few quid tax doesnt matter
I've already got my 4.0L Straight 6 Jeep Wrangler in the garage, for when the apocalypse comes. The electric car drivers won't even make it to the hills.
Think i'll hang onto my Ktm450 ,see you at the top
 
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i don't think the majority knows where their transport fits in the pollution charts
its not really what people look for although these days its becoming so ,driven by taxes etc
If you've plenty money a few quid tax doesnt matter

Think i'll hang onto my Ktm450 ,see you at the top

I thought most would know based on the VED they pay. Could be wrong.
 
I thought most would know based on the VED they pay. Could be wrong.

anyone owning cars at the top of the band don’t care about the cost of tax or running them, and i suspect the pollution isn’t a factor either
 
Garage is detached and about four metres from the house so they couldn't do it. People in flats and apartments are going to struggle.
Get an electrician to put some power in the Garage.

Mind saying that, it costs me about £11 to charge the car at home, where a lot of charging points are £1 and take only an hour.
anyone owning cars at the top of the band don’t care about the cost of tax or running them, and i suspect the pollution isn’t a factor either
I would disagree, most people with cars at the top of the band will be pretty savvy, and with the company car tax being 1% for electric, there is a big saving to be had.
 
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I do agree with that in most aspects.

A few other issues where ICE cars seem to be objectively better, my edit above RE, the environmental impact/cost of building an EV car compared to an equivalent ICE car.

EV cars tend to be heavier than their ICE equivalents, they produce more (i've forgot the word :oops:) small particulates?? Harder on tyres, so more miniscule bits of rubber in the air (this is believe it or not a problem).

Economic issues - The materials needed to produce the batteries are a finite resource. The people doing the mining are as good as slaves. Now I'm not 100% sure on this last point but aren't the vast majority of these minerals located in one country?
This will change though as more EV cars are built, these are problems there to be solved. The rubber from tyres is nothing compared to diesel emissions.

The first ICE cars had vastly different build methods.
 

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