No More Petrol Cars from 2030

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This would be the most painless way to go if we can get the technology in place, just top up like you do with petrol and no worry about the ability of the batteries in a second hand car. Just not convinced we can get everything in place by 2030.
Don’t think it will be bigger than electric by 2030 as it stands. I’m on a call at 2pm (company I work for is involved with trials) so will give an update!
 
1. electric cars are considerably more expensive up-front, so poorer people who depend on a car may be priced out of ownership (or struggle to get credit)- as of today, prices will change
2. electric cars have piss poor range, making them inappropriate for long distance travel - as of today, range will improve
3. lack of charging point infrastructure, especially in rural areas- as of today, capacity will improve
4. people living in pre-mass car ownership accommodation without access to a personal charging point - see 3

Laws of supply and demand will kick in

Saying the laws of supply and demand will automagically sort everything in ten years out isn't the sort of detail I was hoping for. ;)

Besides, the automotive industry is a global industry. If Britain jumps first, the economies of scale may not yet exist.
 
There is a real opportunity for local authorities to offer car sharing schemes - if it’s legally allowed. Authorities usually have land and could install central charging infrastructure there. Maybe even install solar pv to supply part of it. With a pool of cars they could also be flexible in when they are taking or even feeding power back into the grid.
 
1. electric cars are considerably more expensive up-front, so poorer people who depend on a car may be priced out of ownership (or struggle to get credit)- as of today, prices will change
2. electric cars have piss poor range, making them inappropriate for long distance travel - as of today, range will improve
3. lack of charging point infrastructure, especially in rural areas- as of today, capacity will improve
4. people living in pre-mass car ownership accommodation without access to a personal charging point - see 3

Laws of supply and demand will kick in
Issue I see with this is 1 will only happen when 2 and 3 have happened and 2 and 3 will only really happen after 1 has happened unless somebody is willing to take a huge risk with investment, be there the goverment in 2 and 3 or the car manufacturer in 1.

Also the technology in 10/15 years time might see the Tesla we have today and plan any infrastructure around could be out of date and useless, glad im not in charge of making the decision.
 
Thinking about this, cars really need to be self-charging, or have batteries you can swap in and out at a service station, not rely on charge points. Wasn't a new, super-efficient solar panel material discovered about six months ago?
 
Modern petrol cars are refined and super reliable. Buy one just before the ban and it will last 10 years easily.

Plus your current petrol car will be worth more as people clamour to get one instead of a dodgem.
 
Issue I see with this is 1 will only happen when 2 and 3 have happened and 2 and 3 will only really happen after 1 has happened unless somebody is willing to take a huge risk with investment, be there the goverment in 2 and 3 or the car manufacturer in 1.

Also the technology in 10/15 years time might see the Tesla we have today and plan any infrastructure around could be out of date and useless, glad im not in charge of making the decision.

Also 3 is somewhat dependent on government delivery infrastructure, which I have no faith at all in them delivering the amount needed in a relatively short space of time
 
Thinking about this, cars really need to be self-charging, or have batteries you can swap in and out at a service station, not rely on charge points. Wasn't a new, super-efficient solar panel material discovered about six months ago?
there are examples of hot swaps and roads that can charge as you drive
Thinking about this, cars really need to be self-charging, or have batteries you can swap in and out at a service station, not rely on charge points. Wasn't a new, super-efficient solar panel material discovered about six months ago?
 
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Modern petrol cars are refined and super reliable. Buy one just before the ban and it will last 10 years easily.

Plus your current petrol car will be worth more as people clamour to get one instead of a dodgem.

Modern petrol cars are rather slow and dull. Simply, the best cars on the roads today are all electric.
 
No. I’m stuck with petrol. I’m half joking as I understand the environmental issues but I drive a fairly large petrol car and ride a bike. I love cars and engines and have done for years and years. The electric cars I’m sure are great but the range/charging issues and cost of initial purchase mean I’ll be staying with petrol.

I love the smell of 2 stroke even more and if I ever find myself behind a two stroke bike I wind the window down to hear the noise and smell the fuel.

Electric is the future but it’s not my future.
 
While I'm in favour of this, on environmental grounds, there are some serious practicality issues that will need to be sorted out:

1. electric cars are considerably more expensive up-front, so poorer people who depend on a car may be priced out of ownership (or struggle to get credit)
Costs will come down but this discrimination exists today anyway.
2. electric cars have piss poor range, making them inappropriate for long distance travel
In 2008, Tesla launched its Roadster - it had a range of 200miles. The second generation in 2022 will a have a range of 620 miles. Imagine what 2030 could deliver!
3. lack of charging point infrastructure, especially in rural areas
Wifi charging will make charging point infrastructure go the way of the TomTom.
4. people living in pre-mass car ownership accommodation without access to a personal charging point
Wifi charging will make charging point infrastructure go the way of the TomTom.

They're going to need to throw a lot of money at this, which isn't something we will have sloshing around after a no-deal Brexit
 
Modern petrol cars are refined and super reliable. Buy one just before the ban and it will last 10 years easily.

Plus your current petrol car will be worth more as people clamour to get one instead of a dodgem.

What do you think will happen to petrol & diesel prices while HM Gov wants us to move to electric after 2030?
A big lump on fuel duty every budget to show their green credentials (and because they need to pull back the Covid spending)
 
No. I’m stuck with petrol. I’m half joking as I understand the environmental issues but I drive a fairly large petrol car and ride a bike. I love cars and engines and have done for years and years. The electric cars I’m sure are great but the range/charging issues and cost of initial purchase mean I’ll be staying with petrol.

I love the smell of 2 stroke even more and if I ever find myself behind a two stroke bike I wind the window down to hear the noise and smell the fuel.

Electric is the future but it’s not my future.

What an odd fellow
 
What do you think will happen to petrol & diesel prices while HM Gov wants us to move to electric after 2030?
A big lump on fuel duty every budget to show their green credentials (and because they need to pull back the Covid spending)
With the EU possible bringing this ban even further forward could be mitigated by the fact that demand will be falling.
 
How are electric car batteries affected by periods of cold weather?

As they get older, will there be issues of them discharging completely when it's cold, leaving you stranded? I know it happens with petrol and diesel cars, especially when the battery is getting on a bit.

At least with a petrol/diesel car you could bump start it or get a booster charge from someone with jump leads. I may be wrong, but I can't see that being an option with an electric car?
 

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