No More Petrol Cars from 2030

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think you are confusing what has been implemented so far with what can/will be implemented

In the 80's we used to take the piss out of people with those big phone/suitcases


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Think you're confusing what you think I wrote with what I actually wrote. I acknowledged that there are plans to increase charging points. Your claim it's easy to have a rapid charge at supermarkets today simply isn't true.

Look at some of the major supermarkets in Sunderland;
Asda Leechmere 6-700 hundred spaces, 2 charging spaces, both slow.
Tesco Roker 300+ spaces, 4 charging points, all slow chargers.
Asda Boldon, the largest supermarket in the local area, no chargers at all or in the whole of the park it's set in.
Morrisons Fulwell none.
Even the Metro Centre has 10,000 spaces and only 6 rapid chargers and I doubt many go there with the intention of a weekly shop.
Dalton Park example, 1,500 car parking spaces, 6 charging points, 3 of which have been out of use for months and all of them are slow chargers.

There's massive work to be done before it easy to get a rapid charge anywhere, let alone during a supermarket shop, unless you shop at Lidl, which generally only have one rapid charger.
 
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Think you're confusing what you think I wrote with what I actually wrote. I acknowledged that there are plans to increase charging points. Your claim it's easy to have a rapid charge at supermarkets today simply isn't true.

Look at some of the major supermarkets in Sunderland;
Asda Leechmere 6-700 hundred spaces, 2 charging spaces, both slow.
Tesco Roker 300+ spaces, 4 charging points, all slow chargers.
Asda Boldon, the largest supermarket in the local area, no chargers at all or in the whole of the park it's set in.
Morrisons Fulwell none.
Even the Metro Centre has 10,000 spaces and only 6 rapid chargers and I doubt many go there with the intention of a weekly shop.
Dalton Park example, 1,500 car parking spaces, 6 charging points, 3 of which have been out of use for months and all of them are slow chargers.
my point is that the technology exists - the availability isn't there yet
The only additional thing my phone has replaced is a camera. So in my case, it is one
you dont surf the web on it, use sat nav or maps, watch videos, do emails, use the torch, you still have list of all your contacts in a filofax, you just take photos.not videos?, you dont use the calculator? I could go on
 
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my point is that the technology exists - the availability isn't there yet

you dont surf the web on it, use sat nav or maps, watch videos, do emails, use the torch, you still have list of all your contacts in a filofax, you just take photos.not videos?, you dont use the calculator? I could go on

I surf the Web & read email, but it hasn't replaced my laptop. Its just addition

The torch, I'll give you that.
Calculator, same as laptop. For basic convenience aye, but hasn't replaced it as I can't do anything beyond the 4 basic functions

I've never had a filofax.

I still use my tom-tom sat nav, as its better than the mobile option.
 
Wouldn't need every space as load can charge at home. But probably need 25% of space to have chargers as a minimum.
Motorway services probably need to be pretty much every space.

Probably more common down south due to higher proportion who live in flats & can't charge at home
Well no, that’s no good. What if your workforce suddenly all move into houses without points? What if I forget to charge at home, have to rush to work on my last few amps and find no chargers free? I reckon you need chargers for at least 75% of cars on the road to make it viable.
What if you wake up and find someone has unplugged it during the night for a laugh?
 
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Don’t think it’s been mentioned on the thread but massive R&D investment is going into hydrogen fuel cell powered cars due to the many issues with electric cars. The technology is not there yet but the company i work for is indirectly involved and the smart money in Asia is heading this way.
 
Does this mean the price of second hand cars has or will collapse ? I saw a Mercedes I fancied on autotrader which looked decent value. I then put the reg into we buy any car as I do to find out the rough CAP price. Message came up
Saying that due to various reasons they cannot give valuations currently for prestige vehicles.
 
Well no, that’s no good. What if your workforce suddenly all move into houses without points? What if I forget to charge at home, have to rush to work on my last few amps and find no chargers free? I reckon you need chargers for at least 75% of cars on the road to make it viable.
What if you wake up and find someone has unplugged it during the night for a laugh?

What if you're in a rush & your petrol car doesn't start?

It's highly unlikely that any given workplace will have nearly all of its workforce living 30 miles away, all in terraces & flats.

However I'd agree with work places having a high proportion of spaces being electric chargers being useful, but it's not really needed for supermarkets & public car parks
 
How do you charge the car if you have to park outside in the street? Til that's sorted this is just plain ridiculous.
This. Banning stuff doesn't make the alternative work. Encourage and support what you do want rather than just banning things you don't. This is stupid. Need to build a nuclear power station or 3 while he's on for the extra electric.

He's lost the plot.
 
What if you're in a rush & your petrol car doesn't start?

It's highly unlikely that any given workplace will have nearly all of its workforce living 30 miles away, all in terraces & flats.

However I'd agree with work places having a high proportion of spaces being electric chargers being useful, but it's not really needed for supermarkets & public car parks
No maybe you’re right on that one.
 
While I'm in favour of this, on environmental grounds, there are some serious practicality issues that will need to be sorted out:

1. electric cars are considerably more expensive up-front, so poorer people who depend on a car may be priced out of ownership (or struggle to get credit)
2. electric cars have piss poor range, making them inappropriate for long distance travel
3. lack of charging point infrastructure, especially in rural areas
4. people living in pre-mass car ownership accommodation without access to a personal charging point

They're going to need to throw a lot of money at this, which isn't something we will have sloshing around after a no-deal Brexit
 
This. Banning stuff doesn't make the alternative work. Encourage and support what you do want rather than just banning things you don't. This is stupid. Need to build a nuclear power station or 3 while he's on for the extra electric.

He's lost the plot.
Banning things has worked many times. Asbestos, CFCs, leaded petrol, as examples.
 
then you can easily get 200 mile charge in 30 mins at supermaket - thats today - so will get better
I am waiting a new knee and carrying old injuries, so depend on the car, I do 14,000 miles in a normal year. It would need more than one charge a week. I wouldlike an electric car but it has to be practical
 
Don’t think it’s been mentioned on the thread but massive R&D investment is going into hydrogen fuel cell powered cars due to the many issues with electric cars. The technology is not there yet but the company i work for is indirectly involved and the smart money in Asia is heading this way.
This would be the most painless way to go if we can get the technology in place, just top up like you do with petrol and no worry about the ability of the batteries in a second hand car. Just not convinced we can get everything in place by 2030.
 
While I'm in favour of this, on environmental grounds, there are some serious practicality issues that will need to be sorted out:

1. electric cars are considerably more expensive up-front, so poorer people who depend on a car may be priced out of ownership (or struggle to get credit)
2. electric cars have piss poor range, making them inappropriate for long distance travel
3. lack of charging point infrastructure, especially in rural areas
4. people living in pre-mass car ownership accommodation without access to a personal charging point

They're going to need to throw a lot of money at this, which isn't something we will have sloshing around after a no-deal Brexit

1. electric cars are considerably more expensive up-front, so poorer people who depend on a car may be priced out of ownership (or struggle to get credit)- as of today, prices will change
2. electric cars have piss poor range, making them inappropriate for long distance travel - as of today, range will improve
3. lack of charging point infrastructure, especially in rural areas- as of today, capacity will improve
4. people living in pre-mass car ownership accommodation without access to a personal charging point - see 3

Laws of supply and demand will kick in
 

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