Nikki Allan - a new arrest

Discussion in 'SMB' started by Fletch, May 3, 2019.

  1. ISOE II

    ISOE II Central Defender

    He has an attempted murder charge on file which was down Hendon way and his first victim - Simon Martin - was hit with a brick in a derelict building. Not sure it’s him like but there are similarities and murderers can change their MO as they develop their technique .
  2. stapler

    stapler Full Back

    It is a myth that serial murderers have a fixed MO, victim profile or patch. Some do, enough for it to be an observation of interest, but many don't.

    Serial murder is so rare and the behaviour of its protagonists is so outside the norm that trying to draw up definite "rules" is a fool's errand.
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  3. Stato

    Stato Subs Bench

    that building
  4. Hank Scorpio

    Hank Scorpio Midfield

    Would DNA be reliable though mate? For what I’ve read, the building was regularly used for glue sniffing. Hundreds of people probably used it ahead of the murder
  5. soapster

    soapster Striker

    at one point and I don't know if it has changed, although DNA obtained via a database is classed as intelligence, the dna at the scene has to be compared with dna taken from the accused / suspect.

    However it has to be weighed against as to where the dna was recovered from. was it from the victim or was it from the scene. as said who else used that building whether for legal or illegal activity
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  6. Locke's SAFC

    Locke's SAFC Winger

    'Dunno. I think the sample taken was from the little girl's clothing, so the prosecution would argue why is his DNA on the clothing but not other DNA from the hundreds of people who used the building.

    He's been under investigation since he was first arrested over a year back, so they clearly don't have enough to charge him. But, also he clearly can't explain his whereabouts on the night with supporting statements from others.

    'Shame we don't have more details, such as how he came to the attention of the police in the first place. Has anyone heard anything about this?
  7. Stato

    Stato Subs Bench

    Personally i believe he will of been arrested for with holding evidence ect.

    They arrested grievson few year back but let him go as there was lack of evidence,there was always talk of others been involved with greivson at the time rest of murders,and also other attempted murders and more attempted attacks.

    Grievson is main suspect for me but those who have kept there mouths shut for years are being smoked out now.
  8. Locke's SAFC

    Locke's SAFC Winger

    According to reports, the man has been arrested on suspicion of the murder, not withholding evidence.

    I'm not from Sunderland so have no idea what has been said in pubs and clubs, but out of interest where did this talk of more than one person come from and where has the talk come from about people keeping their mouths shut? Is it just pub gossip or is there some substance behind it?
  9. soapster

    soapster Striker

    it is said that every murderer discloses that secret to at least one person as the guilt or fact what they have done weighs so heavily on the mind.

    No idea what is said in pubs and clubs as it is just tittle tattle anyway
  10. ighty seven

    ighty seven Striker

    Aye but if anyone mentions her their windows go through iirc :lol:
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  11. Nozs' Hat

    Nozs' Hat Central Defender

    So has there been a charge? Seems odd to arrest the same person twice, but no charge brought. I don’t know anything about law etc, so it could be normal.
  12. Fletch

    Fletch Striker

    would imagine some want to tell people , notoriety and all that , also with some will slip out when drunk/drugs etc
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  13. Locke's SAFC

    Locke's SAFC Winger

    I've just been listening to a podcast from a lad who does loads of them and is a bit clued up on these sorts of things.

    One of the prosecution's main points was that Heron was in the Boar's Head and was seen by various witnesses buying the little girl's favourite crisps, but when these same witnesses were asked to pick out Heron in a line up none of them could. This lad who did the podcast also said that his brother law claimed Heron had gone out for an hour at the time when the little girl was killed, but in court, under cross examination, he admitted that was a lie and Heron had actually been watching tele with him. He went onto say that the police had questioned him solid for 5 days so in the end just said what they wanted to hear. At that point, the judge threw the case out.
  14. THExpress

    THExpress Central Defender

    There was a post on the echo page last week about the mother and the hell on she’s having with the people at that pub in Ryhope. 1 of the family members was commenting I’m sure she said one of the ones they’re having trouble with (guessing something to do with that pub?) is an ex of the person what got arrested recently.
  15. RYHOPER1

    RYHOPER1 Midfield


    Before she was evicted from ryhope she was barred from the pub. She started calling them all rats. A picture was taken in the pub where they had pieces of cheese sticking out under their top lip. Accusations started being made after that.
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  16. Locke's SAFC

    Locke's SAFC Winger

    One thing that did come into my mind when I listened to the podcast, but the lad doing the podcast didn't say this, is that it's more than a bit strange that Heron's sister's boyfriend would say that Heron had gone out for an hour at the time the little girl was killed and then under cross examination say that he'd lied about that, and the sister saying he had blood spatters on his trainers and then went to wash them off. If, as the boyfriend said in the court, that Heron hadn't even been out, then he couldn't have had blood spatters on his clothes.

    Something doesn't add up there. If I was cross examined solid for a year I still wouldn't fit up a suspect in a murder case, and just about everyone else wouldn't. So, why did his sister and her boyfriend lie?
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  17. TZMouk

    TZMouk Midfield

    What's the podcast called? Always thought this case deserves more exposure.
  18. Stato

    Stato Subs Bench

    can you post link to this please mate?
  19. groucho

    groucho Midfield

    If it's the same one I was listening to it'll be They Walk Among Us
  20. cauldbairn

    cauldbairn Central Defender

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