Nigel Clough


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Eddie Howe was shit at Burnley yet you would take him. Who is your choice then if you think Clough is so bad?

He wasn't that shit. His win percentage still bettered Cloughs when he was at derby. I've given my suggestions numerous times, I don't care to repeat myself again.

Really? Just because people don't think he's up to it. He was well funded initially at Burton signing loads of ex Forest players on a decent budget, even so he took quite a while to get them moving. When he left other people done just as well as he had. He then returned and kept up the good work. He didn't do well at Sheff United and he didn't do well at Derby. Given what he'd be facing here there's zero in what he's done so far which would suggest he'd be a good appointment and if it wasn't for his surname I doubt he'd be mentioned.

Why not mention Gary Rowett, Darren Ferguson?

Spot on.

Yes.
And yours too , no matter how much time you spend in cloud cuckoo land.

We're a bigger club than Boro. I know it hurts to read that but you know it's true deep down.
 
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He wasn't that shit. His win percentage still bettered Cloughs when he was at derby. I've given my suggestions numerous times, I don't care to repeat myself again.



Spot on.



We're a bigger club than Boro. I know it hurts to read that but you know it's true deep down.

Why would your opinion 'hurt' me?
Whether you're a 'bigger' club than us or not has no relevance to anything.
You're in the second tier , we're in the second tier , Nigel Clough's in the second tier.

You're not in a position to attract a 'big name' manager i'm afraid, not matter how 'big' you think you are.
 
Really? Just because people don't think he's up to it. He was well funded initially at Burton signing loads of Forest players on a big budget, even so he took quite a while to get them moving. When he left other people done just as well as he had. He then returned and kept up the good work. He didn't do well at Sheff United and he didn't do well at Derby. Given what he'd be facing here there's zero in what he's done so far which would suggest he'd be a good appointment and if it wasn't for his surname I doubt he'd be mentioned.

Don't think you could call his early days at Burton as making big money signings - Burton were part time then.

History will be kind to his time at Derby. Took over them at a low ebb, slashed the wage budget, invested in the academy and started from scratch. Took a long term view and his successors seem to have spent a fortune (money he never had) and haven't got very far.

Some of his signings at Derby have been inspired - and are about the level we'll be looking at next season (Bryson, Keogh, Martin etc).

He also left Sheffield in a better state than he found it, with two cup semi finals in two seasons.

Last season at Burton he defied the odds and kept them up on an absolute shoestring, winning the mini Midlands league too with wins against Derby, Forest, Birmingham, Sheffield Wednesday etc.

I'm not saying he'd be a good fit for Sunderland but we should be careful what (and who) we wish for. Bet there are quite a few Birmingham fans who wished they'd had a Clough style manager rather than a Zola
 
Really? Just because people don't think he's up to it. He was well funded initially at Burton signing loads of ex Forest players on a decent budget, even so he took quite a while to get them moving. When he left other people done just as well as he had. He then returned and kept up the good work. He didn't do well at Sheff United and he didn't do well at Derby. Given what he'd be facing here there's zero in what he's done so far which would suggest he'd be a good appointment and if it wasn't for his surname I doubt he'd be mentioned.

Why not mention Gary Rowett, Darren Ferguson?
Such a bad manager he was nominated for LMA Manager of the Year this evening. He did ok at Derby. Rowett has just changed clubs so wouldn't come while Ferguson's recent success has come two tiers lower.

He wasn't that shit. His win percentage still bettered Cloughs when he was at derby. I've given my suggestions numerous times, I don't care to repeat myself again.



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Thanks for being so arrogant that you won't tell me your choice. It would have been much easier & quicker to type their name than say I don't care to repeat myself. What a knob.
 
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If it wasn't for his dad, you likely wouldn't have a clue who he was. Possibly unfairly to say but he will have been given opportunities because of his father's managerial ability and everyone who has offered him a chance will have been hoping he'd replicate what his dad did. He's not a bad manager but he's a lower league manager. He has done nothing to earn the right to manage a club the size we are.

Have some pride mate. We're far bigger than Nigel Clough.

What you on about, my post was about you being rude to someone, just because there opinion was different to yours.
And as for not knowing he was Brian Clough's son, what makes you think you know what I know?

Oh, and have some pride "mate"
My mates are polite people who respect others, and there opinions.
 
No he couldn't he hasn't got that kind of cash

He's a billionaire?

What you on about, my post was about you being rude to someone, just because there opinion was different to yours.
And as for not knowing he was Brian Clough's son, what makes you think you know what I know?

Oh, and have some pride "mate"
My mates are polite people who respect others, and there opinions.

Sorry Bidds. We pals again?
 
If it wasn't for his dad, you likely wouldn't have a clue who he was. Possibly unfairly to say but he will have been given opportunities because of his father's managerial ability and everyone who has offered him a chance will have been hoping he'd replicate what his dad did. He's not a bad manager but he's a lower league manager. He has done nothing to earn the right to manage a club the size we are.

Have some pride mate. We're far bigger than Nigel Clough.
He was a good player in his own right & won a fair few England caps. I bet we would have known who he was had he had a different surname.
 
The LMA sent out a circular to their members yesterday informing them of a vacancy which has just arisen. Wonder how many replies they got of " not f***ing likely!"
 
If it wasn't for his dad, you likely wouldn't have a clue who he was. Possibly unfairly to say but he will have been given opportunities because of his father's managerial ability and everyone who has offered him a chance will have been hoping he'd replicate what his dad did. He's not a bad manager but he's a lower league manager. He has done nothing to earn the right to manage a club the size we are.

Have some pride mate. We're far bigger than Nigel Clough.
Apart from the 600+ games he has played for clubs including Nottingham Forest, Liverpool and Man City and 14 caps for England and since taking up club management 19 years ago, Nigel Clough has essentially flown completely under the radar and had no meaningful profile of his own. Aye. Righto.

You are correct in stating that his experience is as a 'lower league manager'. Have you heard that we are a lower league club ? Its been in all the papers and on TV.

The 'size' of SAFC is interesting. How are you measuring that ?
Stadium size ? Fair enough.
Fan base ? OK
Wages bill ? Yep
Debt levels ? Yep again.
Trophies won in the period of living memory ? Hmmm, not so much.
Qualification for European competitions ? Nah.
Ambition ? What's that ?
As an attractive proposition for players and managers ? Not so that you'd notice.

I'm afraid that you need to come to terms with the fact that SAFC has not been 'bigger' than Nigel Clough and other managers and players of similar standing for many, many years.

When the ground is full on a regular basis and the club has been genuinely competitive in the upper echelons of the Premier League over a sustained period of time and has challenged for and perhaps even won a couple of trophies, then we might be justified in boasting about SAFC being a 'big club' Until then, we need to compete with our fellow Championship clubs, such as Sheffield Wednesday, Fulham, Leeds, Aston Villa and, of course, Burton Albion, managed by ... Nigel Clough, no less !


Lower league dosser hardly a glowing CV. Not exactly young. Hardly a long term appointment
Football club manager and 'long term appointment' are usually contradictions in terms
 
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He was a good player in his own right & won a fair few England caps. I bet we would have known who he was had he had a different surname.

I meant in a managerial sense.

But financially knackered and half the squad out of contract and an owner wanting out. Do you think that sounds attractive to a manager?

Yes I do. It's a big challenge but it's a fantastic football club.
 
He's a billionaire?



Sorry Bidds. We pals again?

No offence but some people don't have a concept of money. Many people are called as millionaires in London because they own a house. It's takes months to sell it then you would have nowhere to live.
 
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