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If the ball hits your arm while your hand is so high you could read braille from the exterior of a nasa satellite then it's handball. There is absolutely no need whatsoever to ever have your hands so high

Puzzled how it can be deliberate when not looking at ball.

Against Chelsea we will just stand all our players on the goal line with their hands in the air holding on to the crossbar but turned facing the crowd so when the ball hits their arms it can't be classed as deliberate?
 
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If the ball hits your arm while your hand is so high you could read braille from the exterior of a nasa satellite then it's handball. There is absolutely no need whatsoever to ever have your hands so high



Against Chelsea we will just stand all our players on the goal line with their hands in the air holding on to the crossbar but turned facing the crowd so when the ball hits their arms it can't be classed as deliberate?

Linesman shouldn't be allowed to officiate again. Appalling decision. Anyone who disagrees is not a Sunderland supporter

If the ball hits your arm while your hand is so high you could read braille from the exterior of a nasa satellite then it's handball. There is absolutely no need whatsoever to ever have your hands so high



Against Chelsea we will just stand all our players on the goal line with their hands in the air holding on to the crossbar but turned facing the crowd so when the ball hits their arms it can't be classed as deliberate?


I will repeat again the rules say it has to be deliberate.
 
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Linesman shouldn't be allowed to officiate again. Appalling decision. Anyone who disagrees is not a Sunderland supporter




I will repeat again the rules say it has to be deliberate.

Putting your hands up that high to block a cross is deliberate. There is absolutely no other reason to have your hands so high, unless you are trying to swim to the sun
 
Puzzled how it can be deliberate when not looking at ball.

Ive explained that 100 times to you already - that because of the directive everyone over 6 is aware of. Thats because of the directive given to referees in 2010 to deem it deliberate if players make themselves big by spreading out their arms in anticipation of a cross or shot. Hence deliberate handball and a penalty. By the way have you found anyone over the age of 6 bar yourself that isn't unaware of that directive or a single person in the worldwide media not attached to Sunderland who believe it wasn't a penalty? There wont be one. Why is that?

If we all 'fuck off and support someone else' that leaves an attendance of about 3 plus the away fans for Wednesday.
 
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If Sunderland wern't awarded that you'd be up in arms
so can you let us lower mortals who grew up knowing that intent to play the ball with your hand up to your shoulder, 'intentionally" trying to block the path of the ball, was obvious, with todays nonsence in a game with a bouncing ball

One of the most blatant penalties you'll see. Both of his hands were above his head.
you should try jumping mate

If the ball hits your arm while your hand is so high you could read braille from the exterior of a nasa satellite then it's handball. There is absolutely no need whatsoever to ever have your hands so high



Against Chelsea we will just stand all our players on the goal line with their hands in the air holding on to the crossbar but turned facing the crowd so when the ball hits their arms it can't be classed as deliberate?
try jumping mate
 
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Ive explained that 100 times to you already - that because of the directive everyone over 6 is aware of. Thats because of the directive given to referees in 2010 to deem it deliberate if players make themselves big by spreading out their arms in anticipation of a cross or shot. Hence deliberate handball and a penalty. By the way have you found anyone over the age of 6 bar yourself that isn't unaware of that directive or a single person in the worldwide media not attached to Sunderland who believe it wasn't a penalty? There wont be one. Why is that?

If we all 'fuck off and support someone else' that leaves an attendance of about 3 plus the away fans for Wednesday.


They have had every opportunity to change the rule and they have chosen not to do so. Have you taken the trouble to read our own managers musings on the incident.

Putting your hands up that high to block a cross is deliberate. There is absolutely no other reason to have your hands so high, unless you are trying to swim to the sun


Are you seriously suggesting that in that situation where there was minimal threat that Denayer deliberately hand balled.
 
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Linesman shouldn't be allowed to officiate again. Appalling decision. Anyone who disagrees is not a Sunderland supporter




I will repeat again the rules say it has to be deliberate.

So linesman should not be allowed to officiate again you say.

No wonder you have a reputation for a wind up and lose your credability on here:lol:

Ive explained that 100 times to you already - that because of the directive everyone over 6 is aware of. Thats because of the directive given to referees in 2010 to deem it deliberate if players make themselves big by spreading out their arms in anticipation of a cross or shot. Hence deliberate handball and a penalty. By the way have you found anyone over the age of 6 bar yourself that isn't unaware of that directive or a single person in the worldwide media not attached to Sunderland who believe it wasn't a penalty? There wont be one. Why is that?

If we all 'fuck off and support someone else' that leaves an attendance of about 3 plus the away fans for Wednesday.

You do realise you are absolutely wasting your time,because even though that directive was given in 2010,the actual rules have not been changed,so he will just come back to that point time and time again and totally ignore your point.
 
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They have had every opportunity to change the rule and they have chosen not to do so. Have you taken the trouble to read our own managers musings on the incident.




Are you seriously suggesting that in that situation where there was minimal threat that Denayer deliberately hand balled.
He had his hands above his head ffs. Denayer didn't even protest it, he knew he'd dropped a bollock. You've started a thread and you're going to stick to your guns, but seriously let it go, you're making a complete cock of yourself.

It has been the catalyst for a drubbing and nobody other than yourself is saying it wasn't a penalty .

Are people purposing just saying the op is wrong because he has some sort of history of being a wind up poster or do people seriously think that if a ball hits your hand it should always be a pen?

Or is it that if your hand is above a certain angle and the ball hits it then it is a pen?

The rule is hand has to deliberately hit the ball, interpretation by most is hand has to be in an unnatural position. Both of those are completely subjective ideas 99% of the time when a player is running around a pitch at full tilt swinging their body around.
All people are saying is, it was a stonewall penalty mate. The directive is well known, it's been discussed a thousand times in the media. If your hand is in an unnatural position and the ball hits it you are deemed to have gained an advantage and are therefore penalised . Precisely what happened yesterday.
 
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Against Chelsea we will just stand all our players on the goal line with their hands in the air holding on to the crossbar but turned facing the crowd so when the ball hits their arms it can't be classed as deliberate?

I love how @wicketkeeper can't answer this point.

Anyone who disagrees is not a Sunderland supporter

I've bolded the part which makes wicketkeeper a collosal twat.
 
He had his hands above his head ffs. Denayer didn't even protest it, he knew he'd dropped a bollock. You've started a thread and you're going to stick to your guns, but seriously let it go, you're making a complete cock of yourself.

It has been the catalyst for a drubbing and nobody other than yourself is saying it wasn't a penalty .


All people are saying is, it was a stonewall penalty mate. The directive is well known, it's been discussed a thousand times in the media. If your hand is in an unnatural position and the ball hits it you are deemed to have gained an advantage and are therefore penalised . Precisely what happened yesterday.

Yeah the whole world knows that! but it's not in the rules you know the rules the rules
 
All people are saying is, it was a stonewall penalty mate. The directive is well known, it's been discussed a thousand times in the media. If your hand is in an unnatural position and the ball hits it you are deemed to have gained an advantage and are therefore penalised . Precisely what happened yesterday.
I can't be arsed to argue whether it was or wasn't a penalty, it was given, we got stuffed and it's in the past.

However, this whole "unnatural position" is the thing that gets me about the directives they have to follow. I would argue that, when trying to block a cross the way Denayer did yesterday, one leg out, leaning backwards, the most natural position in the world is for him to have his arms out of up.

If he has his arms tied to his sides he can't balance properly. In the same way you use your arms for leverage to jump, you can use your arms for balance. Try standing on one leg and lean or pivot and you will use your arms at some point. If you lose balance in any situation, your first reaction is to use your arms to reach out.

I think the players can't win sometimes. Hands up and it's unnatural. Hands tied to their sides and it's unnatural.
 
I can't be arsed to argue whether it was or wasn't a penalty, it was given, we got stuffed and it's in the past.

However, this whole "unnatural position" is the thing that gets me about the directives they have to follow. I would argue that, when trying to block a cross the way Denayer did yesterday, one leg out, leaning backwards, the most natural position in the world is for him to have his arms out of up.

If he has his arms tied to his sides he can't balance properly. In the same way you use your arms for leverage to jump, you can use your arms for balance. Try standing on one leg and lean or pivot and you will use your arms at some point. If you lose balance in any situation, your first reaction is to use your arms to reach out.

I think the players can't win sometimes. Hands up and it's unnatural. Hands tied to their sides and it's unnatural.

Really? Try it out. Stand up, and stick one leg in front of the other. Now lean backwards.

Has your arm suddenly been found hanging above your head?
 
Really? Try it out. Stand up, and stick one leg in front of the other. Now lean backwards.

Has your arm suddenly been found hanging above your head?
He went into a bit of a jump too didn't he? You use your arms for leverage and balance. I just find the whole idea of your arms being permanently attached to your sides more unnatural than them being in any other position.
 
Don't think anybody wouldn't want it if it was the other way around.

He went into a bit of a jump too didn't he? You use your arms for leverage and balance. I just find the whole idea of your arms being permanently attached to your sides more unnatural than them being in any other position.

I agree but his arms were up well before he was even thinking about jumping, put your arms up like that then all you are doing is making yourself bigger so to block make cross harder. If it then hits the arms its a penalty for me.
 
Linesman shouldn't be allowed to officiate again. Appalling decision. Anyone who disagrees is not a Sunderland supporter




I will repeat again the rules say it has to be deliberate.

So, are you saying every time a correct penalty decision is given its because the player has deliberately handled the ball? There mustn't be many correct decisions.
 
Don't think anybody wouldn't want it if it was the other way around.



I agree but his arms were up well before he was even thinking about jumping, put your arms up like that then all you are doing is making yourself bigger so to block make cross harder. If it then hits the arms its a penalty for me.
But it's about natural and unnatural positions isn't it? It's natural to use your arms to jump. I find the whole thing a massive grey area.
 
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