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It doesn't say in the rules that if a player 'picks a brick up of the floor and smashes a player in the face' he should be sent off. The referee would have to interpret that as violent conduct and send the player off. It doesn't say in the rules that if you leap up like a starfish when a player is about to cross that ball then its deliberate handball, the referee has to interpret it as such and so on. Anyone involved in football is fully aware if you put your arms in an unnatural position to make yourself bigger to stop a cross or a shot then you will concede a penalty.

The only argument in this case is whether Denayer was protecting himself . If you were making this argument then it has some discussion merit. Still a penalty all day for me.



:lol: I thought you were agreeing with the knacker. Apologies.

This is my argument. I'm certain the flight path of the ball is going to his face. Need to see it again really but people are going on like he was square on with his arms out pretending to be a plane. He definitely came in sideways with his leading arm vertical covering his face. It's in where it hit his arm for me. I'm sure it was just above the armpit and no penalty. if it's getting close to his elbow it wouldn't be hitting his face but probably going to row z. The shot to contact was only about a meter and a half, so the angle of trajectory matters.

Also the ref didn't give it. The linesman gave it. So need to see what view he had.

Important thing to remember is the linesman doesn't get to analyse, he has a second to make the decision, so if it shouldn't have been a pen, it's just bad luck, not the injustice some will look for. The other two goals were gifted and renders this argument a matter of curiosity and no more.
 
Have you actually read the rule .it makes no mention whatsoever of unnatural position.
I am not interpreting the rule that s what others are doing. I am telling u the rules say it has to be deliberate
The hand moved towards the ball. His hand was up in the air which meant there was a bigger target for the ball to get past. It was a deliberate hand ball any day of the week.
 
It was a harsh penalty he was only a couple of yards away and he didn't move his hands to the ball to gain an advantage other than to prevent himself from harm so it could be construed.This unnatural malarkey business is open to interpretation the law states that handball has to be deliberate.An unnatural position would be hands on the soles of your feet not those from the end of your armpit. The ref was shit all game.He obviously was intent of keeping his good record of six out of six in officiating over Swansea wins
Spot on...Craig Pawson record against Sunderland? Was very poor no calls going Sunderland 's way....Chelsea next maybe the lucky Black Cats will be out Wednesday night?
 
Show me where it says in the rules a penalty should be given for accidental hand ball


It was deliberate handball because directives given to referees in 2010 tell them to interpret players making themselves bigger by putting their arms in an unnatural position as deliberate. Therefore if it is deemed deliberate it is a penalty according to the rules.
 
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I dont think he had enough time to try to gain any advantage from where his arm was so that would make it accidental arm hitting of the ball irespective of where his arm was when it hit him
 
It was deliberate handball because directives given to referees in 2010 tell them to interpret players making themselves bigger by putting their arms in an unnatural position as deliberate. Therefore is it is deemed deliberate it is a penalty according to the rules.

I have already shown you the rules,which make absolutely no mention of players making themselves bigger or unnatural positions.

According to your logic the rules say a foul has to be inside the box to be a penalty. But hey lets have refs just interpret the rules the way they want and give a penalty for a,foul outside the box for certain fouls if they think it is justified.

How do you know it was accidental? Denyar has jumped making himself as big as possible and clearly attempted to block the ball. I fail to see how that's accidental.

Just read the rules post 33 I think.And read my recent response to rentaghost
 
I have already shown you the rules,which make absolutely no mention of players making themselves bigger or unnatural positions.

According to your logic the rules say a foul has to be inside the box to be a penalty. But hey lets have refs just interpret the rules the way they want and give a penalty for a,foul outside the box for certain fouls if they think it is justified.



Just read the rules post 33 I think.And read my recent response to rentaghost
But he's attempted to block the ball, this can't be disputed. How can you say he didn't attempt to block it with his arm given the position he got himself in?
 
I have already shown you the rules,which make absolutely no mention of players making themselves bigger or unnatural positions.

According to your logic the rules say a foul has to be inside the box to be a penalty. But hey lets have refs just interpret the rules the way they want and give a penalty for a,foul outside the box for certain fouls if they think it is justified.

Now you are just being silly because you have been battered here. A penalty is for deliberate handball. In 2010 referees were instructed to deem making yourself bigger to block a shot or cross as deliberate so a penalty could be given according to the rules.

It really is that simple.
 
Now you are just being silly because you have been battered here. A penalty is for deliberate handball. In 2010 referees were instructed to deem making yourself bigger to block a shot or cross as deliberate so a penalty could be given according to the rules.

It really is that simple.

Not been battered at all. The rules are clearly on my side. The analogy is perfectly fair given that you seem to be saying that we just ignore the rules and let refs interpret them whichever way they choose.
You can talk about directives till you are blue in the face the written rule which says handball has to deliberate has never been altered.
 
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