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Let’s try to understand the handball rule in football. The FIFA rule book (Laws of the Game 2014/2015) defines it as:

“Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with his hand or arm. The referee must take the following into consideration:

the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)

• the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)

• the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an infringement

• touching the ball with an object held in the hand (clothing, shinguard, etc.) counts as an infringement

• hitting the ball with a thrown object (boot, shinguard, etc.) counts as an infringement”

Apologies please

Ha ha There's nothing wrong with what you have put there its what you haven't included and referees were asked to interpret deliberate handball differently in 2010:

From the FA ‘UK rule’s website:
Match referees often consult their assistants on FIFA handball rule decisions. A top class soccer referee described his interpretation of the rules. He said the decision results from whether the player's hand or arm contacts the ball in an 'unnatural' position.

From David Elleray
"Referees look at two specifics - did the hand or arm go towards the ball or in a manner which would block the ball, or is the hand in a position where it would not normally be?" Elleray told BBC Sport.

From Graham Poll

So the question of intent is now, did the offender deliberately place his arms in an unnatural position to increase the chances of the ball hitting him?
If the answer to that is yes then it is correct to penalise that player
even though it used to be argued that was ball to hand.

Not much more to add really
 
I think it's all down to interpretation by the official. We are told that if it's not intentional then, it's not a pelanty and, so we accept this in good faith. Then a referee gives a penalty in a situation like today ( which, im pretty sure Denayer never meant to block with the underside of his arm) and all of a sudden fans are up in arms. There is just no consistency and, as alluded to earlier, It's down to interpretation.
 
If the OP is serious I f***ing despair. If he's on a wind up then fair play he's got everyone thinking he's thicker than whale spunk.

I can assure you he is not on a wind up,just likes to create the argument,the very fact most on this thread think it was a pen and are Sunderland fans says it all,but don't expect him to back down as it simply won't happen.

However I can assure you if it was in the other penalty area his opinion would be entirely different.
 
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He had his hand away from his body
Stone wall.
He was poor in build up to the goal aswell
 
Nah it was a stonewalled. Refs are told to look if the player has their arm in an unnatural position.

It wasn't unnatural though, he stretched a little bit and his arms went up as a result. It's normal to do that when running around at pace and stretching out. Your arms go all over the place when you play football, they are used to help keep your balance when you twist and turn and as a result go high, low, next to the body, away from the body........
 
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I can assure you he is not on a wind up,just likes to create the argument,the very fact most on this thread think it was a pen and are Sunderland fans says it all,but don't expect him to back down as it simply won't happen.

However I can assure you if it was in the other penalty area his opinion would be entirely different.

Never noticed him before, now duly noted as another weirdo who's opinion is ignored or chuckled at, but never taken seriously.
 
I thought it was harsh, his arm was up to protect his face. It hit just above his armpit. Had it hit his elbow than fair play, he would have blocking the flight of the ball. The linesman is basically saying he should have been knocked the fuck out by powerful shot from a short distance. I bet he'd have his arm up too if he was in that position. I'm sure I would.
 
Ha ha There's nothing wrong with what you have put there its what you haven't included and referees were asked to interpret deliberate handball differently in 2010:

From the FA ‘UK rule’s website:
Match referees often consult their assistants on FIFA handball rule decisions. A top class soccer referee described his interpretation of the rules. He said the decision results from whether the player's hand or arm contacts the ball in an 'unnatural' position.

From David Elleray
"Referees look at two specifics - did the hand or arm go towards the ball or in a manner which would block the ball, or is the hand in a position where it would not normally be?" Elleray told BBC Sport.

From Graham Poll

So the question of intent is now, did the offender deliberately place his arms in an unnatural position to increase the chances of the ball hitting him?
If the answer to that is yes then it is correct to penalise that player
even though it used to be argued that was ball to hand.

Not much more to add really

.As I have already said you are choosing to quote refs interpretations of the rule which as we know can differ widely not the rule itself,which is clear an unambiguous- the hand has to go towards the ball not the ball to hand.
 
It wasn't unnatural though, he stretched a little bit and his arms went up as a result. It's normal to do that when running around at pace and stretching out. Your arms go all over the place when you play football, they are used to help keep your balance when you twist and turn and as a result go high, low, next to the body, away from the body.
If you're going to block a cross you're trained to keep your hands down and behind your back. It's a blatant pen.

Let's see how many are not given in the coming weeks.
That doesn't mean today's wasn't one though
 
If you're going to block a cross you're trained to keep your hands down and behind your back. It's a blatant pen.


That doesn't mean today's wasn't one though
So some teams are punished and others aren't, slightly off topic but have you seen the penalty that Snodgrass gets for Hull today?
 
So some teams are punished and others aren't, slightly off topic but have you seen the penalty that Snodgrass gets for Hull today?
Shocking. Was pleased to see him get done down the other end. For what it's worth I thought the ref was very favourable to Swansea in some of his decisions but the pen was a pen.
 
.As I have already said you are choosing to quote refs interpretations of the rule which as we know can differ widely not the rule itself,which is clear an unambiguous- the hand has to go towards the ball not the ball to hand.

Does the fact that you have this 'clear and unambiguous rule' in front of you yet no Sunderland supporters agree concern you? Many fans like yourself love an excuse to feel hard done by yet you aren't getting support even from them. Why do you think that is?

Its because they know that referees have to consider whether a player has made themselves bigger by putting their arms and hands in an unnatural position when deciding if handball is deliberate. There is no wide interpretation of the rule itself but there can be inconsistencies in the award of a penalty because if the ref feels the player was protecting himself he can choose not to give it.
 
was a pen but I recall ones against Everton and Arsenal where it clearly hit there hand and the ref gave nowt. It's just consistency we want.
 
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