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Really? Try it out. Stand up, and stick one leg in front of the other. Now lean backwards.

Has your arm suddenly been found hanging above your head?

Were you running when you tried this our jogging our stood still? It was a pen all day long anyhows, just want to forget about the full 90mins
 
I love how @wicketkeeper can't answer this point.



I've bolded the part which makes wicketkeeper a collosal twat.
Just a guest now as it was a pen for me. He states that the rule is 'crystal clear' which of course it is hence there never being a multi page thread on it or lengthy discussions in the media. Any idea what team I should go and support now? Mags doing well I hear.
 
The rules still say that the act must be deliberate, whatever method Graham Poll used to judge that. I'm certainly not convinced that it was deliberate and (although I'll have to watch it again) I thought that if Denayer hadn't got his arm up he'd have taken it straight in the face.

Having said that, I'd be certain it was a penalty if it had been for us.
If he's putting his hands up to protect his face that's a deliberate act to block the flight of the ball and hence a penalty.
 
I think people need to rewatch the incident to realise how long he actually had his hands in the air for. He wasn't in the process of still lifting them as the ball hit. He had them up when facing the player and then turned his body while still having them up.

As has been said already and anyone who watches O'Shea will see, seasoned defenders constantly stick both hands behind their back to counter this sort of thing happening
 
I think people need to rewatch the incident to realise how long he actually had his hands in the air for. He wasn't in the process of still lifting them as the ball hit. He had them up when facing the player and then turned his body while still having them up.

As has been said already and anyone who watches O'Shea will see, seasoned defenders constantly stick both hands behind their back to counter this sort of thing happening
Bad idea putting hands behind back. Makes you almost immobile.
 
I am backing my clubs managers view of the incident. Who are you backing. Certainly not the club.
With respect, you need to let this go. Just because other people have a different opinion doesn't give you the right to, amongst other things, tell them to go and support another club. Why not direct your hubris at the real villains of the piece - FIFA?
 
With respect, you need to let this go. Just because other people have a different opinion doesn't give you the right to, amongst other things, tell them to go and support another club. Why not direct your hubris at the real villains of the piece - FIFA?
The only villain of the piece was Denayer . He was a f***ing idiot doing what he did. End of story and we move on, he's been good the last few weeks this is just a blip.
 
I don't think it is as stonewall as some are saying, slight case for ball to hand, but he should never have had his hands in that position asking for trouble. I'd be furious if a Swansea player had done that and we weren't given a penalty.
 
I think it's all down to interpretation by the official. We are told that if it's not intentional then, it's not a pelanty and, so we accept this in good faith. Then a referee gives a penalty in a situation like today ( which, im pretty sure Denayer never meant to block with the underside of his arm) and all of a sudden fans are up in arms. There is just no consistency and, as alluded to earlier, It's down to interpretation.

Good summary. It's the lack of consistency that's the problem as loads of similar incidents have been deemed not a penalty

I don't think it is as stonewall as some are saying, slight case for ball to hand, but he should never have had his hands in that position asking for trouble. I'd be furious if a Swansea player had done that and we weren't given a penalty.
You might be furious but would you be surprised? I was incandescent when Alex Bruce flailed the ball away with his hand at the SOL a couple of seasons ago but the ref didn't give a penalty
 
If he's putting his hands up to protect his face that's a deliberate act to block the flight of the ball and hence a penalty.

But if his hand hadn't been there it would have wellied off his face which also would have blocked the flight of the ball. It was a reaction to prevent the ball from hitting his face, not to stop the ball from going into the net.

It was harsh imo. When you think there was no chance that was going in, a penalty is not a justifiable punishment. The rules need looking at, even the people on here are not quite sure what is and isn't a penalty.

A fairer punishment would have been a free-kick in the penalty area.
 
Wicketkeeper's interpretation of the rules would mean that a handball is rarely, if ever, given. Nobody deliberately intends to handball it but for extreme circumstances. You'd think this would set alarm bells ringing for him, but apparently not.
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A lot of the time it certainly isn't given
 
Good summary. It's the lack of consistency that's the problem as loads of similar incidents have been deemed not a penalty


You might be furious but would you be surprised?

People who are expecting consistency are naive IMO,with all decisions never mind handballs,you will always get similar situations where some are given and some or not,because a ref only gets one look and from one angle and these decisions will always be made from different angles.

Therefore it will never be black and white and will always be down to perception therefore inconsistently is asbouletly inevitable.
 
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