Moyes: This is what I have to say to Sunderland fans who want me sacked


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Limited or not, he keeps picking f***ing Rodwell when he clearly isn't up to it.

Thats the one thing I cant understand.

The rest is bollocks as we are down to reserve players and kids in the main. Judge when we have our players back and the tits stop going to sleep in the last minute tho throw away points.

That doesn't even make sense. He said it in a TV interview, not directly to the players. The players can still be listening even if he is not saying it directly to them.

But then when I gave you the Keane example you said "aye, but thats to the players" :lol:
 
But then when I gave you the Keane example you said "aye, but thats to the players" :lol:
You said "Keane told the players before a game against Villa, and I quote "Look lads, youre shit, we all know youre shit and will lose, but at least try and enjoy being shit". They drew the game."

If it wasn't directly to the players, and not as in Moyes example, in the press, then why didn't you say?
 
It sets a tone. If he is (overly) negative (not just realistic), it will have an effect on the players. How do you think the players felt being told they were in a relegation battle after two games and that they are not of the same standard he is used to?

Psychology matters in sport, and Moyes is shit at it.
Not just to the players though, remember we were still in a transfer window at the time and I bet this affected our transfer business.
 
The whole thing was set up to fail as soon as it was clear he wasn't bringing his own staff in.

Love him or hate him it's always taken a while for him to work his magic. But take away his assistants and the money needed to stabilise the team and he's on a hiding to nothing.

Djilobodji in particular seems like a shocking signing but the rest would have been decent squad players.

Problem being through injury and neglect we don't have a first team to add them to.

imo Ndong was an attempt to sign a 'Marquee' player to keep fans happy, putting an elastoplast over an amputation comes to mind

I think Moyes would like to succeed but deep down knows that he signed a confidentiality agreement no harm no foul.

If it goes tits up he's got a few million in the bank and the club's reputation as a manager's graveyard to point back to
 
I swear people worrying about his press conferences think it's like football manager and every time Moyes makes a press conference the players all watch and their morale goes up or down. They have enough time with him during the week they're hardly going to be following the live twitter feed or reading the echo to see what he said at the press conference. They're all balls deep in their wags or swimming at their mansion man.

If we were sitting mid table I'm sure no-one would give a crap either.
The picking at him is down to what is happening on the pitch.

People are making such pathetic excuses as well, "IF Defoe had scored his one chance in that game we could have got a point or a win", totally ignoring all the chances the opposition missed on top of THEIR ACTUAL GOALS!
Even if we had held on against Palace we wouldn't have "deserved it", they outplayed us.

So far it has been like watching a Pulis team but without the clean sheets.
 
Moyes saying he expected a relegation battle is reverse psychology too then.

No, but he didnt have every word picked over.

You don't quite get reverse psychology do you?

Keano's is a good example. Basically took the pressure off the team (you are going to get beat anyways so just enjoy your footy out there) and challenged them to go prove him wrong without actually challenging them officially (they will have been wanting to prove him wrong and shut him up). Was a sharp kick in the teeth to them to get them wound up for the game behind closed doors.

Moyes was just negative shit to the press, after 1-2 games.
 
But then when I gave you the Keane example you said "aye, but thats to the players" :lol:
Surely you can see the difference of saying something directly to the players, rather than hinting at something in the press, so when the players hear about it they will be thinking "he's implying we aren't good enough here"?
 
“I have to earn their support and at the moment, I could understand they didn’t see that because of our results.

“When I came here, I did not expect it to be an awful lot different although obviously, I hoped it would be.

“I can only tell them that we’re doing everything possible to get there and I’ll keep doing it until told differently”
About as inspiring as a Teletext weather report predicting bank holiday rain. He probably watched Martin Luther King's speech on video once and then taped over it with a re-run of a Ukraine v Switzerland U21 fixture.
 
You don't quite get reverse psychology do you?

Keano's is a good example. Basically took the pressure off the team (you are going to get beat anyways so just enjoy your footy out there) and challenged them to go prove him wrong without actually challenging them officially (they will have been wanting to prove him wrong and shut him up). Was a sharp kick in the teeth to them to get them wound up for the game behind closed doors.

Moyes was just negative shit to the press, after 1-2 games.

Moyes doing the same "lads we are fucked, everyone expects it anyway". Pressure off. Good Work Moysey.

Surely you can see the difference of saying something directly to the players, rather than hinting at something in the press, so when the players hear about it they will be thinking "he's implying we aren't good enough here"?

I don't think the players pay any attention.
 
Moyes doing the same "lads we are fucked, everyone expects it anyway". Pressure off. Good Work Moysey.



I don't think the players pay any attention.

I think this comparison stuff is a load of bollocks but Keane's team actually won games and picked up points, Moyes' team has made the worst start in PL history
 
Just looking to balance it out mate and I dont read into what is said in press conferences, it means nothing. I doubt he is going into the dressing room, like Keane did for example, and telling the players they are shit and everyone knows they are going to lose anyway.

Players aren't deaf outside a dressing room, you know.
 
Didn't we think the same of Poyet and Advocaat?
There wasn't half the optimism in Gus or Dick as there was last May. A little tweaking would set us up nicely for a relegation free season. Now it seems that was all bullshit and Moyes took on the job from hell.
 
I'd love to have been a fly on the wall for Moyes interview-

ES - "I'say, Boy.... Naw what do ya see for the future of this here club?"

Moyes- "I see us at the bottom of the league."

ES - "!Hot Diggity Dawg! You're hired son!"
 
There wasn't half the optimism in Gus or Dick as there was last May. A little tweaking would set us up nicely for a relegation free season. Now it seems that was all bullshit and Moyes took on the job from hell.

I agree but we were more desperate at the end of last season and probably had a better run in, combined with relegating the Mags it was heaven.

I think that's made Moyes job harder because people are judging him as if that's where we were as a club and ignoring the last 5 season.

We probably lost some momentum when Sam left and I was the same as most on here, hoping Moyes could continue it somehow but he has had key members of that team out injured.
 
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