ironman
Midfield
The problem is Moyes he has admitted the team cannot get the basics right question who coaches them him or that knacker Bracewell? It does not matter who because ultimately he is the manager and must take full responsibility.
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Well since no-one had commented on this in 5 hours I thought tonight be ok. My mistake, clearly.
Won't be long until 50% of fans say keep him til the end of the season
Mags !!
dangermows
Striker
jonny gently
Winger
Mousey mag back, which log in is this one?
dangermows
Striker
Johnson was a fantastic signing. His stats speak for themselves. Suppose the end wasnt ideal mind.
dangermows you stupid get
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jonny gently
Winger
dangermows
Striker
Hahaha yeah right mousey mag got ya mates to back ya up hehe worra divvy
Heads gone ^
jonny gently
Winger
WHD
Striker
How do you expect it to go?
little jonny back for another kicking I see.
jonny gently
Winger
Yeah yeah
gillburn61
Reserve Squad
Would we really want any manager who was mad enough to apply for the job if we got rid? What sticks tiny throat is the comments from Short when Moyes was signed that he had been chasing him for years. If that was true in August why hasn't he backed him in January?
MrBraithwaite
Winger
Aye - but Joe Royal took them backwards big time after that. His long ball tactics were unpopular, though he was insulated from criticism to a degree as he was a legend there.
He did divide opinion, but those who bring up stuff like his boring style of play, etc, are discounting the great football they played at the end of his reign. They played very good football with Arteta pulling the strings - I think it was his injury that stopped them from winning the UEFA Cup if I remember correctly. His big problem was they could not afford a top class striker to finish off the team. He had a few good punts, most notably Yakubyu, but then he got a bad injury. Louis Saha was good as well, but not quite top drawer.
I mean, he was criticised for not being able to get over the final hurdle and win a cup. But he did get to a cup final and then lost narrowly to a powerful Chelsea team. There was also that cup semi loss to Liverpool which is used to slam him, but while they were perhaps too negative in that game, you have to remember Liverpool had a higher quality of player.
Most sensible Evertonians remember him as doing a very good job under trying circumstances, and that he bequeated a legacy that was squandered by Martinez, after a sterling first season. They gradually lost the defensive solidity that was the identity of the team, and their results took a drastic nosedive.
jonny gently
Winger
Fair enough marra but I can only comment on how he's managed here really because I've seen how bad we've been. I really wanted him to succeed. Somebody pointed out that I said we'd be out the bottom 3 after xmas.
Wishful thinking, I now think he won't turn things round but hope he proves me wrong. Lot's of transfer talk so hopefully he gets it right this time.
MrBraithwaite
Winger
I understand why he gets walloped by the signings in the summer, but I do not think the majority of the players that came in were 'Moyes signings.'Fair enough marra but I can only comment on how he's managed here really because I've seen how bad we've been. I really wanted him to succeed. Somebody pointed out that I said we'd be out the bottom 3 after xmas.
When he gets the chance to scout players he has an eye for a player, but at the same time the club is not really shopping in a cast iron market for quality. Losing PVA might be a risk worth taking as he is woeful defensively, which should really be his bread and butter. The defense that he chips in with vital goals does not really cut mustard with me, as he in his position that should only ever be a bonus and not a rationale for keeping a left back!
As an offensive threat I prefer a left back who whips in good balls for the striker, rather than him trying to be a striker!
Please stop peddling this 'not Moyes signings' absolute bullshit.
We didn't have a DoF or a head of recruitment at the time. We had a manager, in postion in late July with the window shutting 5 weeks later.
Any manager is judged by his signings. As a manger of over 20 years standing Moyes knows this and he is getting paid a couple a million a season to make sure he gets it right.
It was 100% Moyes responsibly to manage his transfer budget. If he couldn't be bothered to do the donkey work and trusted others that is entirely down to Moyes' poor judgement, the buck stops with him.
MrBraithwaite
Winger
Aye - off season is a great time to scout players like....
You can argue all you like - the club is reported in national newspapers as having been chasing Papy for years, N'Dong was recommended by the same scouting network that found Kone and Khazri.
But Moyes rubber stamped these terrible deals FFS. Nobody else is to blame, it's his job to manage the budget and get decent deals done. Not Short, not Bracewell, not the bloke who mows the grass.
Moyes is a vastly experienced manager who has managed in 2 countries, has been involved in various European competitions, has worked alongside numerous coaches, agents and personally knows lots of other managers both in and out of work. That's why he got the job. He still got it spectacularly wrong.
The summer transfer debacle is his fault. He made some serious errors of judgement. When it goes right you take the plaudits, when it fucks up he must take the brick bats.
MrBraithwaite
Winger
The alternative was worse - the squad was absolutely gutted. Papy might not be the best centre back, but there was a period he and Kone were solid and were helping the club get good points. Similarly without N'Dong the midfield would be even more bereft. Can hardly rely on Kirchoff.
Of course he deserves his share of the blame for the transfer business. On the other hand the mitigating circumstances should be taken into account, and he should be given at least a chance to correct the squad with some of his own signings.
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