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Think you have to blame the majority on Moyes.Itās going to be unpopular but some of those comments are true ... moyes may be the man In charge but behind the scenes the state of Sunderland has been years in the making. Itās a collaboration of mangers and board level management wrecking the club. Itās not nice to see and I donāt wish it on any club, but blaming Moyes for Sunderlandās downfall is a tad far fetched I feel
How anyone can fail at Man Utd is beyond me they're just starting to turn things aroundThink you have to blame the majority on Moyes.
When Big Sam was in charge we were playing with top 6 form and results towards the end of the season. It looked like we were finally turning the corner. Players like M'Villa should have been signed immediately. Yet he spends more on N'Dong and 8 mil on a Chelsea reserve who hadn't done anything to prove himself.
Also part of management has to be about instilling confidence in your staff to try and get the best out of them. I don't think conceding that we were in a relegation scrap after a couple of games into a new season, in a press conference that probably would be shown around the world, is necessarily the best way to rally your troops to give their best for you.
He hasn't been close to being a success anywhere since he was at Everton.
Itās going to be unpopular but some of those comments are true ... moyes may be the man In charge but behind the scenes the state of Sunderland has been years in the making. Itās a collaboration of mangers and board level management wrecking the club. Itās not nice to see and I donāt wish it on any club, but blaming Moyes for Sunderlandās downfall is a tad far fetched I feel
Google KENNY MOYES football agent and wonder why so many ex Everton has beens and a couple of poor players from another former club, Man United, ended up at SAFC.I fully blame Moyes for the downward spiral the club is in. His transfer philosophy of āgetting the band back together for one last paydayā failed spectacularly and we havenāt recovered since.
I think Moyes is to blame for our first relegation.
But what came afterwards he can be absolved from. The clubs inability to invest to reclaim the Premier League status was due to transfer failure from previous administrations. The club still had enough about it to survive in the Championship if the right decisions were made.
Spot on! Moyes was a busted flush after Man Utd. An absolute charlatanThink you have to blame the majority on Moyes.
When Big Sam was in charge we were playing with top 6 form and results towards the end of the season. It looked like we were finally turning the corner. Players like M'Villa should have been signed immediately. Yet he spends more on N'Dong and 8 mil on a Chelsea reserve who hadn't done anything to prove himself.
Also part of management has to be about instilling confidence in your staff to try and get the best out of them. I don't think conceding that we were in a relegation scrap after a couple of games into a new season, in a press conference that probably would be shown around the world, is necessarily the best way to rally your troops to give their best for you.
He hasn't been close to being a success anywhere since he was at Everton.
Same, I remember being envious when he was linked with the mags. Bastards dodged a v2 rocket...I was pleased like many others when Moyes was appointed... How I ate my words, shit them out and then ate them again when he left. Sucked the life out of the players, club and most importantly the fans...
A good summation but the Journo didn't have to do any research or make those observations about Moyes to pen the article, all he needed to do was ask any Sunderland Supporter. I'm just surprised more Journos haven't cottoned on to him yet.David Moyes's sorry Sunderland saga bodes ill for West Ham | Jonathan Wilson
The Hammers may survive this season but the prospects for the next one do not look good ā just ask fans of the Wearside club now in League Onewww.theguardian.com
Article from The Guardian/Observer website starting to question Moyes and his involvement in our downfall.
If the first relegation doesn't happen the rest doesn't follow.....2 Fookin games in he publically gave up....
No doubt whatsoever we were run shambolically, however, with respect, you haven't got a clue.I never said he wasnāt a disaster but looking at the state of the club currently suggests all hasnāt been well for a while. It would be amateurish to blame Moyes. And for what itās worth I have never liked him because he is so f***ing dull
I have already agreed Moyes is responsible for the first relegation.
It just feels a stretch to blame him for the second when we had enough quality in the side to be lower mid table in the Championship the following season.
We could go down again next season. But if we did I couldnāt bring myself to blame Moyes in the basis that āif the first relegation happened the second and third ones wouldnātā.
He was disastrous for us. As you say he gave up straight away and never tried to inject any optimism or energy into the club. He just collected his pay cheque, brought some old mates in and we were gone.
He saddled us with shoite that we had to pay off, thus meaning we couldn't buy our way back up....he is singlehandedly responsible for where we are now
The word singlehandly is the only word Iād disagree with.
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No doubt whatsoever we were run shambolically, however, with respect, you haven't got a clue.
The problem here was Ellis Short didn't have a clue how to run a club so kept chucking money at it in the hope something stuck. Most of the time it didn't and he kept sacking managers to give us a short term boost, but the previous season he did find a solution - Allardyce.
Allardyce came in, weeded out the crap and brought in 3 quality signings for relatively little. The team complemented each other perfectly, everyone had a role and we ended the season in brilliant form - not a flash in the pan good run over the last few weeks but consistent performances and results throughout the second half of the season. We finished on a massive high and just needed someone to come in, keep the squad together and maybe add one or two additional signings to kick on.
We had two loanees, M'Vila and Yedlin, who were both available. Yedlin wasn't great but fit the team well and was a perfectly adequate right back - he dropped down to the Championship instead. Moyes brought in Donald Love instead who was horrific, Manquillo on loan who was also terrible, then brought back Billy Jones. Jones had been bombed out for Yedlin the previous season as he was awful but was now first choice right back again.
M'Vila had a brilliant season and was availabile for Ā£7m, instead he signed Ndong for Ā£13.6m. Ndong was rubbish and was subsequently sacked 2 years Iater. M'Vila was desperate to sign and actually turned up at the airport on deadline day.
Rather than keep the squad together he dismantled it, alienated the likes of Khazri, completely mismanaged Kirchhoff (Allardyce had him on a special training programme and subbed him off after 60 minutes every week as he was brilliant when fit, Moyes rushed him back playing two full games in a week and fucked him). Kaboul left for Ā£3.5m despite building an excellent partnership with Kone. Moyes replaced him with Djilobodji for Ā£8m - a joke of a player who he fucked off in January who was also subsequently sacked. He filled the squad with has-beens from Everton who added nothing.
But that's just bad management. What pissed everyone off was his body language and behaviour. He made the infamous relegation battle comments after the 2nd game of the season, effectively writing the whole season off in mid August. By October it was blatantly obvious he didn't want to be here and had no interest in the club, but he wouldn't resign as his reputation was already in tatters after Man United and Sociedad and the club wouldn't sack him because of the reputation for sacking managers. So we had another 8 months of him going through the motions in full self preservation mode, talking himself up every week and distancing himself from what was going on.
Yep, the club was badly run behind the scenes and Short completely lost interest and pulled the plug once it became obvious we were doomed, but Allardyce and plenty other managers would have kept us up and arguably kicked on. Moyes still spent Ā£25m+ that summer yet turned a decent squad that could have pushed for the top half into relegation fodder. He spent more in millions than he won in points.