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Something else that had been pointed out on here for a while. Lots of articles have been dripping out the last month about concerns of the long term health implications.

There have been studies in other countries seeing similar but I’d put a lot of emphasis on what Italy says as they have a highly respected medical profession and were the first country outside China to suffer tragic levels of infection so are further ahead then most in being able to conduct large scale studies of the long term effects.

Originally it was suggested just those who got serious level infections had problems with lung scarring but this suggests even those with mild symptoms suffer ongoing health problems.

I don’t think it’s a doom monger to keep pointing out that this is really a disease to avoid at all costs, and even if younger and chances of it killing you are very slim, if it leaves ongoing health implications even after a mild dose it’s a bit of a game changer. Most people probably wouldn’t give a fuck until it starts to hit them down the line.

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Coronavirus warning from Italy: Effects of COVID-19 could be worse than first thought

Italian doctors are warning that COVID-19 is not just a respiratory disease but a killer affecting the whole body.
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I have not caught covid but had a really bad pneumonia after the new year blackpool away game a couple of seasons ago.
Never felt so ill and wife whos a nurse told me I be left with damage.
She was right im breathless a hell of a lot of the time and my throat feels like its half its size .
So for those who had the covid 19 I would be worried about the future..
 
It maybe a case in certain people that it triggers a life long autoimmune condition. After all its a persons immune defence that over reacts that has caused all damage that occurs with Covid.... This also happens in a very small percentage of people who recieve any vaccination.
 
Completely expected something like this. The first SARS caused long term issues for people, so there was no reason to think it wouldn't do it this time.
That's why I was suspicious of NHS keeping records of those that tested positive for 25 years. I can quite easily see live insurance questions popping up for "Did you ever test positive for Covid-19". And if so, doubling premiums.
 
To me, this seems like a lot of anecdotal evidence. I'm not sure it's "bad news", more something we should expect. There's no solid evidence (that I know of) to back up the claims that this will have long-term implications for a large percentage of those with mild symptoms.

We should all still be taking steps to not catch it, but it's pointless worrying and speculating.
 
FulwellViaLeeds said:
To me, this seems like a lot of anecdotal evidence. I'm not sure it's "bad news", more something we should expect. There's no solid evidence (that I know of) to back up the claims that this will have long-term implications for a large percentage of those with mild symptoms.

We should all still be taking steps to not catch it, but it's pointless worrying and speculating.
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tbf, its been bubbling away under the surface for quite a few weeks now. Its what people are actually experiencing.
 
PTR said:
tbf, its been bubbling away under the surface for quite a few weeks now. Its what people are actually experiencing.
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I appreciate that and it's really unfortunate, but again it's anecdotal really. We need studies and data to be able to make that conclusion. I think we should all try and avoid catching it, but I don't think there's data available that would change how we tackle the virus.
 
FulwellViaLeeds said:
I appreciate that and it's really unfortunate, but again it's anecdotal really. We need studies and data to be able to make that conclusion. I think we should all try and avoid catching it, but I don't think there's data available that would change how we tackle the virus.
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I wouldn't disagree with that. I think its an interesting avenue to investigate though.
 
FulwellViaLeeds said:
I appreciate that and it's really unfortunate, but again it's anecdotal really. We need studies and data to be able to make that conclusion. I think we should all try and avoid catching it, but I don't think there's data available that would change how we tackle the virus.
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There already is quite a lot of evidence.

They can already say people who get it to a certain level will have lifelong health problems due to lung scarring.

They already know similar illnesses in the Coronavirus family leave certain long term problems.

Clearly it’s only been around 6 months or so but it’s not anecdotal. They have observations and studies going on showing ongoing health problems. The only difference is they can only show months not years.

But some things they can estimate the effects of for years like lung scarring
 
PTR said:
Completely expected something like this. The first SARS caused long term issues for people, so there was no reason to think it wouldn't do it this time.
That's why I was suspicious of NHS keeping records of those that tested positive for 25 years. I can quite easily see live insurance questions popping up for "Did you ever test positive for Covid-19". And if so, doubling premiums.
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My son’s partner contracted sars some years ago and has been left with a bad chest and severe cough, severe enough to have strained her heart. She was 39 when the disease struck.
 
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MonkeyLove said:
There already is quite a lot of evidence.

They can already say people who get it to a certain level will have lifelong health problems due to lung scarring.

They already know similar illnesses in the Coronavirus family leave certain long term problems.

Clearly it’s only been around 6 months or so but it’s not anecdotal. They have observations and studies going on showing ongoing health problems. The only difference is they can only show months not years.

But some things they can estimate the effects of for years like lung scarring
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I'd still say there's a lack of strong evidence. Those are good points, but we don't have a read on how many are being affected. Other than saying "try not to catch the virus", I'm not sure what else we can do with that information really. It's not strong enough to make a government think twice about re-opening.
 
MonkeyLove said:
Something else that had been pointed out on here for a while. Lots of articles have been dripping out the last month about concerns of the long term health implications.

There have been studies in other countries seeing similar but I’d put a lot of emphasis on what Italy says as they have a highly respected medical profession and were the first country outside China to suffer tragic levels of infection so are further ahead then most in being able to conduct large scale studies of the long term effects.

Originally it was suggested just those who got serious level infections had problems with lung scarring but this suggests even those with mild symptoms suffer ongoing health problems.

I don’t think it’s a doom monger to keep pointing out that this is really a disease to avoid at all costs, and even if younger and chances of it killing you are very slim, if it leaves ongoing health implications even after a mild dose it’s a bit of a game changer. Most people probably wouldn’t give a fuck until it starts to hit them down the line.

news.sky.com

Coronavirus warning from Italy: Effects of COVID-19 could be worse than first thought

Italian doctors are warning that COVID-19 is not just a respiratory disease but a killer affecting the whole body.
news.sky.com news.sky.com
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Back in the early 2002-2003 when SAR was bobbing about I knew a bloke who was a Chest specialist in Taipei who was involved in treating SARS patients, he told me then that a lot of people recovered but were permanently impaired due to the lung damage (he mentioned popcorn which I have seen mentioned recently about COVID-19 lung damage) so as this current stuff is akin to the old SAR virus it would make sense for something similar to happen I guess.
 
The fact the media keep trotting out these outliers should actually be reassuring. They're very much special cases and quite rare, hence why they're newsworthy.
 

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