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Valid question IMO. I do wonder why people want Ukraine to roll over and accept defeat.

They’re either anti-war cowards or arseholes who think the west should be buying Russian gas.

The kind of people who May well have let Hitler run rampant in Europe…

This makes sense
 
Buying Russian gas makes no sense really.

Please don’t tell me we should be funding Putin’s war…


We only bought 4 % of our gas from Russia anyway, the profits from that income stream wouldn’t make much difference in the scale of things.
The kind of people who May well have let Hitler run rampant in Europe…


Casting aspersions there @Frijj try to be a bit more subtle next time man.
 
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Buying Russian gas makes no sense really.

Please don’t tell me we should be funding Putin’s war…

There's a variety of ways to look at it but if you look at it from a moral perspective, as you have with supporting Putins war, a moral argument can be made for not buying Qatari gas. If we go down a moral path we'd have a hard time justifying buying gas from pretty much everyone. Better bloackade Rastanura and stopping taking Saudi oil.

Additionally it stems a number of reasons why Russian gas was popular within Europe, notably Germany and a reason why Australian gas isn't shipped to Europe. Shipping, transport and logistics make it highly impractical. Additionally despite the bombing of Nordstream Russian gas continues to transit through Ukraine and Ukraine claim their transit tax. In addition to that a fleet of 24 LNG vessels load from Sabetta in North West Russia and discharge in Western Europe, notably France. Whilst the Russian state is involved in the project if you look you'll find it's western/asian owned companies who own the vessels and are reaping the rewards of the exorbitant daily charter rate to ship Russian gas to Europe.

Australia in the north west shelf, America from the gulf Sabine Pass and Qatar from Ras Laffan are the biggest distributors of gas, there's smaller yet still quantifiable storages in Brunei and Bonny in Nigeria for example but for the most part it's America, Australia and Qatar and one can see why Russian gas is preferable. Even considering the infrastructure costs the net benefit is vastly greater than shipping it because vessels are chartering for 3-500k a day atm and typically are 150,000 cubes. Comparing that to a free flowing pipeline. If we want to go down a greenpeace rabbit hole there's the net negative of shipping in regards to emissions in comparison to a pipeline.

It's actually quite an interesting topic, a new import LNG terminal backed by the US opened in Krk in Croatia, one can easily understand why, that US influence and presence and attempting to get eastern and central europe of Russias gas. Italy are one of Qatar's biggest customers and ship LNG to a terminal off Venice, but theres a plethora of evidence that byond suggests that qatari money is supplementing unrest in Libya and the interesting thing there is that Libya has a pipeline in the med to Italy, so again interesting to see why they'd be so interesting in backing militants in Libya.

Ultimately it's all fucked and you'd have a hard time getting to a safe haven using your moral compass. Ultimately this conflict aside and despite the major challenges involved it is silly for central European nations to be so dependant on Russian, the natural enemy, bogeyman so to speak. A certain orange man warned them off this and was laughed out the room. Germany in particular are scrambling for FSRU and are paying a might bonny premium for it to Hoegh and in effect Morgan Stanley.
 
There's a variety of ways to look at it but if you look at it from a moral perspective, as you have with supporting Putins war, a moral argument can be made for not buying Qatari gas. If we go down a moral path we'd have a hard time justifying buying gas from pretty much everyone. Better bloackade Rastanura and stopping taking Saudi oil.

Additionally it stems a number of reasons why Russian gas was popular within Europe, notably Germany and a reason why Australian gas isn't shipped to Europe. Shipping, transport and logistics make it highly impractical. Additionally despite the bombing of Nordstream Russian gas continues to transit through Ukraine and Ukraine claim their transit tax. In addition to that a fleet of 24 LNG vessels load from Sabetta in North West Russia and discharge in Western Europe, notably France. Whilst the Russian state is involved in the project if you look you'll find it's western/asian owned companies who own the vessels and are reaping the rewards of the exorbitant daily charter rate to ship Russian gas to Europe.

Australia in the north west shelf, America from the gulf Sabine Pass and Qatar from Ras Laffan are the biggest distributors of gas, there's smaller yet still quantifiable storages in Brunei and Bonny in Nigeria for example but for the most part it's America, Australia and Qatar and one can see why Russian gas is preferable. Even considering the infrastructure costs the net benefit is vastly greater than shipping it because vessels are chartering for 3-500k a day atm and typically are 150,000 cubes. Comparing that to a free flowing pipeline. If we want to go down a greenpeace rabbit hole there's the net negative of shipping in regards to emissions in comparison to a pipeline.

It's actually quite an interesting topic, a new import LNG terminal backed by the US opened in Krk in Croatia, one can easily understand why, that US influence and presence and attempting to get eastern and central europe of Russias gas. Italy are one of Qatar's biggest customers and ship LNG to a terminal off Venice, but theres a plethora of evidence that byond suggests that qatari money is supplementing unrest in Libya and the interesting thing there is that Libya has a pipeline in the med to Italy, so again interesting to see why they'd be so interesting in backing militants in Libya.

Ultimately it's all fucked and you'd have a hard time getting to a safe haven using your moral compass. Ultimately this conflict aside and despite the major challenges involved it is silly for central European nations to be so dependant on Russian, the natural enemy, bogeyman so to speak. A certain orange man warned them off this and was laughed out the room. Germany in particular are scrambling for FSRU and are paying a might bonny premium for it to Hoegh and in effect Morgan Stanley.

That’s all well and good but it doesn’t address the simple fact that supporting the Russian economy means supporting Russia’s war efforts in Ukraine.

Do you support Russia in this conflict?
 
That’s all well and good but it doesn’t address the simple fact that supporting the Russian economy means supporting Russia’s war efforts in Ukraine.

Do you support Russia in this conflict?

Europe is not in a position to simply stop receiving Russian gas, it's impossible.

I'm anti-war.
 

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