Mignolet - third best premier league keeper last season


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rocky said:
How could it be worse? Did Gordons mistake count as 2 goals?

It felt like 2 goals at the time, we battered them that day and looked comfortable, until Gordon's howler. His awareness and positioning were shocking like.
 
tbf he cost a fraction of the injury prone scot mate

My favourite argument of them all - overlooking the mucking about with statistics that started the thread - Mignolet is an excellent keeper because he is cheap.

We could field 11 fans from a ballot for nothing and get relegated with zero points - but by fuck it would be good value eh?
 
Did I say they were his only errors?!

Mags - both games - for starters. Fulham away is another that springs immediately to mind.

He's rank average; and thats the problem you and many others have on here- you cant accept that soneone isnt brillant.

On here opinions of players are polarised; they're either shit or brilliant - that's never reality.

Mig is average - an ok keeper. Not going to win us many points but is competent enough.

I'd prefer better, if that's okay with you.
If you're happy with relative mediocrity bully for you.

And better than Gordon :oops: FFS :lol:

i think your getting mixed up, i never said mig was a top class keeper, i said there are other more pressing matters regarding improving the squad. No point dwelling on Gordon as he's gone.
If you want better than why accept having no recognised left back in the squad??? why buy a keeper when we need more strikers to put the ball in the back of the net and midfielders who are capable of holding onto the ball? Confusing marra :neutral:
This season we will be challenging for a top 10 finish and I see no reason to why migs is not good enough for that challenge although I believe other areas of the squad need strengthening to achieve it. Would not swap him for over half the other keepers in the league but everyone to their own i suppose
 
That was equally as shocking as Mignolets, probably worse IMO. Both decent keepers though, who have had a mare in our biggest games of the season. I rate both of them to be honest, but hold high hopes for Mignolet. I think he will become a better keeper than Gordon.

It wasn't even a Gordon mistake against Milner ffs. Just because it was a tame goal, watch it back, he has to cover Owen in the centre of the goal, who along with (McShane?) fails to get anything on the ball, meaning it drifts aimlessly into the bottom corner. Had he followed the ball he'd have left the goal open in the centre when it needed covering. Can't seriously believe people still mention it.

Really dont understand why people on here are determined to hate Mignolet, the facts are there but the SMB has decided he's shite. He's a solid keeper that will only improve.

what 'facts'?

and how will he only 'improve'? That's always said about young players on here, but how often do they actually do just that?

Sorenson was young here and didnt improve as he got into his prime, neither really did Gordon and yet Mig only can improve?
 
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Agreed. Mignolet is f***ing awful at corners. Woeful to say the least. Absolute shite. How many goals did he let in from corners again last season?

Why didn't his defence help him out then.........tactics, tictacs, whatever.

Sorenson was young here and didnt improve as he got into his prime, neither really did Gordon and yet Mig only can improve?[/QUOTE]

Didn't mind Sorenson mesel, never really took to Gordon - never looked confident - always looked shit scared, even when he was having a good game!

Best shot stopper does not equate to best keeper. Making saves is just one element, not necessarily the most important.

Canny important element though if I recall correctly :oops:

casillas, hart and neuer are great keepers mate

Casillas - doesn't have to worry as his outfield players will recover any cock ups he makes, plus he's well experienced.

Hart - Good keeper, but like Mig he was prone to errors while he was learning his trade.

Neuer - Can't really comment on ze German......they make canny cars though.
 
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I agree with everything except the bit in bold. In a couple of seasons, he could be better than Gordon, but, at the moment, I'd say that he isn't quite there, yet. This is all rather moot, as, a comparison to Gordon is as relevant as a comparison to any other 'keeper who isn't on our books.

The fact he kept Gordon out of the side when Gordon was fit conflicts with that opinion.

Martin O'Neill clearly saw the merits of the two and acted accordingly. No doubt time will tell if he was right or not.
 
It wasn't even a Gordon mistake against Milner ffs. Just because it was a tame goal, watch it back, he has to cover Owen in the centre of the goal, who along with (McShane?) fails to get anything on the ball, meaning it drifts aimlessly into the bottom corner. Had he followed the ball he'd have left the goal open in the centre when it needed covering. Can't seriously believe people still mention it.



what 'facts'?

and how will he only 'improve'? That's always said about young players on here, but how often do they actually do just that?

Sorenson was young here and didnt improve as he got into his prime, neither really did Gordon and yet Mig only can improve?


Agree with most of your post, except saying that Gordon didn't improve. He improved a lot imo. Very mediocre start to his career here, it was only later that he showed his class. Then injuries etc etc.
 
All keepers are good shot stoppers down to at least conference level, probably further. I used to play regularly with a former Aldershot / mag reserve keeper and he used to save everything.

Imo it's decision making that makes a good keeper.
 
Agree with most of your post, except saying that Gordon didn't improve. He improved a lot imo. Very mediocre start to his career here, it was only later that he showed his class. Then injuries etc etc.

Your are correct. He did improve whilst here, I guess just not to the level expected. My overall point was more that whilst now he should be in his prime, that for various reasons he isn't (or rather we have no idea what level he's currently at), so it doesn't always follow that a young keeper will just keep on improving.
 
Canny for what some would say isn't the 3rd best keeper at the club :roll:
 
Imo it's decision making that makes a good keeper.

Certainly one of the main things and it's my main criticism of Mig so far.

Bravery, positioning, handling, distribution are key at higher levels too and some will get better with experience. For me Mig is as brave as a lion, but currently lacks in too many areas and isn't fantastically agile to live just off shot stopping, hence I can't see why people expect him to get better and better. At the most I expect him to be steady.
 
It's incredible a successful manager can't see what we do really, and gets rid of Gordon.
 
It's incredible a successful manager can't see what we do really, and gets rid of Gordon.

Oh come on. The world probably knows that after a season out with injury and on big wages when we're trying to keep the wage bill in line, with two keepers here already that there was little chance Gordon would be kept on. the decision was probably little to do with quality and more to do with the risk, when we could use the wages elsewhere, yet you're suggesting that reason was due to ability? Bullshit and you know it.
 
Certainly one of the main things and it's my main criticism of Mig so far.

Bravery, positioning, handling, distribution are key at higher levels too and some will get better with experience. For me Mig is as brave as a lion, but currently lacks in too many areas and isn't fantastically agile to live just off shot stopping, hence I can't see why people expect him to get better and better. At the most I expect him to be steady.

Hes more than that already. The problem is with a lot of supporters is that they expect perfection as being the norm when in fact all keepers have flaws in their game to some degree. Mignolet did improve massively last year and even a more gradual improvement over the next season and we will see a good keeper. Hes already a mid range top divison keeper with time on his side.
 
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Oh come on. The world probably knows that after a season out with injury and on big wages when we're trying to keep the wage bill in line, with two keepers here already that there was little chance Gordon would be kept on. the decision was probably little to do with quality and more to do with the risk, when we could use the wages elsewhere, yet you're suggesting that reason was due to ability? Bullshit and you know it.

Gordon is made of glass, and has just as many problem areas as migs. SM is young and is developing well. Decision making comes with experience. Just because he didn't cost £9m doesn't mean he's not good enough. Far from it.

You're suggesting that ES and MON are happy to drop as long as wages are in line, when maybe its that our manager sees potential that our fans don't have the patience for.

Big season this. Very big, probably the biggest in a while.

rentaghost said:
Hes more than that already. The problem is with a lot of supporters is that they expect perfection as being the norm when in fact all keepers have flaws in their game to some degree. Mignolet did improve massively last year and even a more gradual improvement over the next season and we will see a good keeper. Hes already a mid range top divison keeper with time on his side.

This.
 
Hes more than that already. The problem is with a lot of supporters is that they expect perfection as being the norm when in fact all keepers have flaws in their game to some degree. Mignolet did improve massively last year and even a more gradual improvement over the next season and we will see a good keeper. Hes already a mid range top divison keeper with time on his side.

He's not even steady mate. He's good and bad, but rarely outstanding. Once his decision making improves, hopefully with experience, then he will be steady.

Gordon is made of glass, and has just as many problem areas as migs. SM is young and is developing well. Decision making comes with experience. Just because he didn't cost £9m doesn't mean he's not good enough. Far from it.

You're suggesting that ES and MON are happy to drop as long as wages are in line, when maybe its that our manager sees potential that our fans don't have the patience for.

He's had injury problems which all have been made worse by trying to play on, usually after medical advice. Decision making doesn't always come with experience, you have to be able to take it on board too, otherwise you would see shite older keepers making basic flaws and you do. Who mentioned the fee....you, what relevance has it got now?

I'm suggesting nothing of the sort, you're putting words there which I haven't said. I'm saying clearly that wages and money now is an issue that wasn't there when we signed Gordon. Hence now we have two others keepers and Gordon has been out a year, the improvement we would see by having him in the side, alligned to the risk after his injuries probably isn't worth the £2m or so a year he'd be on, when that could be used elsewhere to greater effect.

Don't have patience for? Ha, tell me what potential you see in Mig. In what aspects does he excell?

He's not even steady mate. He's good and bad, but rarely outstanding. Once his decision making improves, hopefully with experience, then he will be steady.



He's had injury problems which all have been made worse by trying to play on, usually after medical advice. Decision making doesn't always come with experience, you have to be able to take it on board too, otherwise you would'nt see shite older keepers making basic flaws and you do. Who mentioned the fee....you, what relevance has it got now?

I'm suggesting nothing of the sort, you're putting words there which I haven't said. I'm saying clearly that wages and money now is an issue that wasn't there when we signed Gordon. Hence now we have two others keepers and Gordon has been out a year, the improvement we would see by having him in the side, alligned to the risk after his injuries probably isn't worth the £2m or so a year he'd be on, when that could be used elsewhere to greater effect.

Don't have patience for? Ha, tell me what potential you see in Mig. In what aspects does he excell?


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The problem is that so many posters backed themselves into a corner over Gordon and they point blank refuse to accept that Mignolet is our number one and the better 'keeper. It doesn't matter what stat you throw at them, they have it in their heads that Mignolet is shite and they will keep on believing it despite being totally wrong.

Even before the season starts, you can absolute guarantee even the slightest mistake by Mignolet and he will be hounded on here. A lot of posters on here will be hoping and praying that Mignolet makes some howlers next season, make absolutely no mistake about that.

You are, by some distance, the stupidest person on here.
 
He's not even steady mate. He's good and bad, but rarely outstanding. Once his decision making improves, hopefully with experience, then he will be steady.



He's had injury problems which all have been made worse by trying to play on, usually after medical advice. Decision making doesn't always come with experience, you have to be able to take it on board too, otherwise you would see shite older keepers making basic flaws and you do. Who mentioned the fee....you, what relevance has it got now?

I'm suggesting nothing of the sort, you're putting words there which I haven't said. I'm saying clearly that wages and money now is an issue that wasn't there when we signed Gordon. Hence now we have two others keepers and Gordon has been out a year, the improvement we would see by having him in the side, alligned to the risk after his injuries probably isn't worth the £2m or so a year he'd be on, when that could be used elsewhere to greater effect.

Don't have patience for? Ha, tell me what potential you see in Mig. In what aspects does he excell?




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By saying exactly the same thing as you said on a previous post doesnt make it any more correct ;) Mignolet is good, I know hes good and O'Neill knows hes good. Thats why a top class manager will select him as first choice keeper for the second successive season in a row while internet experts paw over perceived flaws in his game every week.
 
don't really care if a keeper is weak in the air, shot stopping should be the first and foremost attribute for a keeper.

its the defenders job to protect the goalkeeper from an aerial bombardment, which no keeper is ever perfect at dealing with.

he's a great shot stopper and made some excellent saves to keep us in games. the amount of excellent saves he's made from shots/headers more than make up for the few times he's cocked up a cross and we've conceded.
 
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