Messi vs Best


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indeed, but also in a world where he could be murdered and a yellow card shown! for this reason we should really be looking at what era the fellas are playing their football, and probably the outcome woud be both are equal under that criteria.

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I respect your opinion mate, but come off it. I'm not knocking the technical ability of players in the past. In fact, to play on the pitches they did to the technical standard they did, I've no doubt they'd look amazing technically on a pitch nowadays.

However, basic physical development tells you that a side from the 1970s, however good, would simply not be able to compete with a side from the modern day. It's like arguing that a sprinter from the 1970s was faster than Usain Bolt, only we know for a fact this isn't true as times are recorded.

I'm sorry mate, but modern day Barcelona (for example) would murder the Brazil 1970 side if they both played each other in their peak. Even if they were technically inferior.

You talk about guile and flair and that's fine, I'm not doubting the best players had that in abundance. Yes, Mulhall may have been lightning with a ball at his feet at the time, but throw him into the game now and he wouldn't be (insert random 77 year old joke here). That's what some people fail to grasp (unless Mulhall was some kind of freak, if so he should have been a sprinter).

please tell me when your first match as an adults was so I know what I am up against . You seem to be completely taken in by the sports scientists world .
 
please tell me when your first match as an adults was so I know what I am up against . You seem to be completely taken in by the sports scientists world .

If you can't accept that players have come on leaps and bounds physically over the years then I don't really think there's much point continuing this. If I tell you my age you'll simply use it as a stick to beat me with, so to speak ;)
 
Jesus, some people talk absolute shit.

Some people believe govenment stats. that show, as a nation, our children are passing more exams. Ergo we are much more intelligent than we were 10/20/30 years ago. :oops:

Football has moved on. Training, diet, kit, tactics etc. have moved on. Does anyone seriously think that a footballing great from a former era wouldn't be just as good if they were staring out today?:roll:
 
I'm having a discussion with a lad at work about who is better he is pro messi and think he's the best player ever I strongly disagree as I think George best was doing what messi does now and more while having people trying to
Kick him up a height and I think there have been probably
10 players in the history of the game better than messi what do you lads reckon?

Cuckoo!

I seen footage of both playing not a great deal
Due to when they played but enough to formulate a solid opinion on them.

You mean you've seen some short footage of Di Stefano scoring goals past crap keepers who dive when the balls already in the net.
 
Jesus, some people talk absolute shit.

Some people believe govenment stats. that show, as a nation, our children are passing more exams. Ergo we are much more intelligent than we were 10/20/30 years ago. :oops:

Football has moved on. Training, diet, kit, tactics etc. have moved on. Does anyone seriously think that a footballing great from a former era wouldn't be just as good if they were staring out today?:roll:

Is that what's being asked though?

Throw George Best from the 60s/70s into the game now and how would he do, in comparison to Messi?

He'd be miles behind. Not his fault or a slight against his technique or skill, mind.
 
Is that what's being asked though?

Throw George Best from the 60s/70s into the game now and how would he do, in comparison to Messi?

He'd be miles behind. Not his fault or a slight against his technique or skill, mind.

So your not comparing them as if best was playing now he would have the benefit of being fitter than he was back then and if messi played in the 60's he
Simply couldn't be as fit as now.
 
So your not comparing them as if best was playing now he would have the benefit of being fitter than he was back then and if messi played in the 60's he
Simply couldn't be as fit as now.

Of course I'm comparing them. This is why it's so difficult to measure yesteryear players with modern players though.

You're the one who isn't comparing them; you're comparing Messi with Best if Best was fitter and quicker.
 
Of course I'm comparing them. This is why it's so difficult to measure yesteryear players with modern players though.

You're the one who isn't comparing them; you're comparing Messi with Best if Best was fitter and quicker.

Ok mate I just think people always think the here and now is better than what goes before and it not always the case I think messi is the best player in the world currently but I think in terms of being the best of all time he is over rated.
 
Ok mate I just think people always think the here and now is better than what goes before and it not always the case I think messi is the best player in the world currently but I think in terms of being the best of all time he is over rated.

Fair enough mate. A lot of it is opinion based and conjecture, but when people start denying that the players now are more physically developed than those in previous eras, it starts to get a bit silly.
 
Fair enough mate. A lot of it is opinion based and conjecture, but when people start denying that the players now are more physically developed than those in previous eras, it starts to get a bit silly.

I wouldn't deny that as you say you just make yourself look daft
 
Is that what's being asked though?

Throw George Best from the 60s/70s into the game now and how would he do, in comparison to Messi?

He'd be miles behind. Not his fault or a slight against his technique or skill, mind.

Why would he be miles behind?

We don't have the benefit of time travel, so if Best was starting out in the modern game he'd have all the advantages that Messi has.
 
The thing is the likes of Best and Bobby Charlton were fantastic athletes they would have flourished now.
I saw these players in the flesh and although for me Messi is the best i've ever seen I think it's quite frightening to think what Best in particular could have done if born into the modern age.
There's a little bit of ignorance being shown by some on here regarding latter day players particularly some of the comments regarding defenders.
They're being portayed as simpletons who just dove in and were pulling a horse and cart.
I actually think individually defenders were genarally better then,today defending is much more the whole team thing,there's quite a few individual deficencies which can be covered up in that framework.
 
Why would he be miles behind?

We don't have the benefit of time travel, so if Best was starting out in the modern game he'd have all the advantages that Messi has.

But that isn't comparing Best to Messi.

It's comparing a modern day version of Best to Messi. Totally different.

And I've explained why he'd be miles behind.
 
Messi is more naturally talented than Best.

Best was harder than Messi.

Messi is a better professional than Best.

Messi has played in more international tournaments than Best.

Best shagged more Miss World's than Messi

Ronaldo is better than both of them.
 
Messi is more naturally talented than Best. No

Best was harder than Messi. Yes

Messi is a better professional than Best. Yes

Messi has played in more international tournaments than Best. Obviously

Best shagged more Miss World's than Messi Yes

Ronaldo is better than both of them.
Tough one
 
Messi is more naturally talented than Best.

Best was harder than Messi.

Messi is a better professional than Best.

Messi has played in more international tournaments than Best.

Best shagged more Miss World's than Messi

Ronaldo is better than both of them.

Reminds of the wonderful Best quote.

Room service arrives. George is on the bed surrounded by champagne bottles, tenners and a couple of blondes. The waiter sighs and says "Oh George, where did it all go wrong?"
 
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