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How long before this forum will be expecting this bloke to be finding the new Rooney and Barkley ?
6 weeks

The Academy has been open 11 years and Leadbitter wasn't produced by it. He broke into the first team the same year it was built. So that's three players in 11 years. Not what I'd call ok, it's been open long enough now to have seen young lads old enough for the first team brought through it since they were young bairns and we are seeing nothing.
We live in an area that has produced more England internationals per head than any other region in the country and we have very very little to show for it.
Basically one team which had henderson, Colback and waghorn. Other than that we have had nothing at all.
 
Who have Everton produced of note that they haven't bought other than Rooney?
 
The Crystal Palace youth set up has brought through quite a few over the years, but I do know as a club (especially in there financial troubled years) there was an emphasis on bringing through local talent and giving them a chance in the 1st team set up
 
Unfair stick are you for real, talk to the people from the academy or the ones that used to be there, not a good word for him anyone.
Thing is though 99% of people have no dealings with anyone from the academy at all but he kops a hell of a lot of stick on here, the majority of that seems to be based on hearsay and rumours. Not defending him as his record isn't great but I don't really know enough about what he does to really judge.

Bally was criticised when he moved in the summer but people who watch the academy always say how the U18s then U21s played good football and the ex-academy kids who've made a living from football (Henderson, Colback, Waghorn, the Noble who went to Carlisle, etc) were all full of praise for Ball and to a lesser extent McNamee and Dickman.

Rodwell, Jagielka, Baines, Barkeley, Osman even Richard Dunne.

Jagielka and Baines were both Premier League players when they signed them man, even Richard Dunne signed from elsewhere when he was 15
 
Thing is though 99% of people have no dealings with anyone from the academy at all but he kops a hell of a lot of stick on here, the majority of that seems to be based on hearsay and rumours. Not defending him as his record isn't great but I don't really know enough about what he does to really judge.

Bally was criticised when he moved in the summer but people who watch the academy always say how the U18s then U21s played good football and the ex-academy kids who've made a living from football (Henderson, Colback, Waghorn, the Noble who went to Carlisle, etc) were all full of praise for Ball and to a lesser extent McNamee and Dickman.



Jagielka and Baines were both Premier League players when they signed them man, even Richard Dunne signed from elsewhere when he was 15
Jagielka and Baines were both at the Everton academy and Richard Dunne was brought from Home Farm in Dublin and joined the Everton Academy.
Sunderland are not only failing to develop players, they are not signing them in the first place.
 
Hope so, getting sick of having to sack all these wankers on football manager, and not renewing all their kids youth contracts every year. The money they must of eeked out of our club.

Not hard to tempt the best coaches here with stats of 20 coaching kids 20 judging player potential. All we have to do is pay them slightly more than they're are already on.
 
Im a sport scientist and have worked there with Ged, Elliott and other academy staff. Ged is a very knowledgable coach and personally I like him very much and we get on really well. Elliot again is a great guy and coach. However that doesn't mean there aren't wrong things. Football is its own 'world' and is rife with 'who you know' just look at first team staff changes. Ged and Elliott do bring in players, ppl who they want, football allows that to happen! They also can be brusque with those not in favour and 'rule the roost' a bit. again I think the football world enables the 'topdog' attitude to happen. But both guys can spot talent and nuture it, with great coaching and training sessions.
Just like other academies SAFC tries to create an all round player at young ages, sometimes it's almost like making a team of robots, wanting them to be able to play in different positions, and have set skills. This can lose talent which doesn't fit this 'brief' creative players and set position players can emerge later even though they were rejected by the acadmey. Again this is the way academies are and not just the fault of our academy 'losing' good talent. Anyways felt I had to speak up for the academy and Ged and Elliot, they have great facilities and great staff. There are wrong things to be sure, don't know if those will change with a different person in charge though.
Well judging by what's been said in previous posts, we know how you got that gig at the academy then

joking
 
Jagielka and Baines were both at the Everton academy and Richard Dunne was brought from Home Farm in Dublin and joined the Everton Academy.
Sunderland are not only failing to develop players, they are not signing them in the first place.
Baines had a trial at Everton but was rejected so went to Wigan, Jagielka had a year at Everton's academy when he was 14 but was released when he was 15 and signed for Sheff United, it's a bit tenuous claiming those two surely?

Andy Carroll was at our academy when he was 14, can we claim him?
 
Same bloke who would have bombed Henderson out had it not been for Ball stepping in, who has gone on to be England's first choice central midfielder.
 
Thing is though 99% of people have no dealings with anyone from the academy at all but he kops a hell of a lot of stick on here, the majority of that seems to be based on hearsay and rumours. Not defending him as his record isn't great but I don't really know enough about what he does to really judge.

Bally was criticised when he moved in the summer but people who watch the academy always say how the U18s then U21s played good football and the ex-academy kids who've made a living from football (Henderson, Colback, Waghorn, the Noble who went to Carlisle, etc) were all full of praise for Ball and to a lesser extent McNamee and Dickman.



Jagielka and Baines were both Premier League players when they signed them man, even Richard Dunne signed from elsewhere when he was 15

Wait, Kevin Ball left SAFC in the summer?
 
So at the moment we're sitting at four/five out of what, 85, (I'm excluding the top 4-5/6 as they obviously get first pick these days) clubs that are better than ours.
 
Sunderland:

Michael Gray
Michael Bridges
Jordan Henderson
Jack Colback

That it in the Premier League era?
 
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