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He is managing his players. We're 3 points off 10th.

Which players have been given extensions?

Fletcher, Johnson, Alfred and Graham are all better players that those they replaced.

Which players that he has sent away are good enough? I can't think of any.

It's pointless debating anything with you as your mind is already made up.

If we're three points off tenth then I guess the players are about midtable quality in that case, so can't be all bad using that logic. And they still have not improved in a year. We have never had more than two or three games at very most which suggest improvement as a squad, in a year.

Can't recall of the top of my head which got extensions, need to look it up, but plenty average players

Fletcher I already mentioned. If Johnson did not have his reputation behind him he'd have nothing, he's been very very poor, worse than McClean last year on all fronts-perfromance, stats, the lot. Alfred I also mentioned so pointless to list him. Graham- is a shadow of Fletcher, no way near 5 million, has shown nothing yet gets to start, becuase he's MON's man and pride won't permit him not starring. Shown nothing to suggest he's better for us than Campbell, which is really saying a lot.

Wickham has been sent away in spite of looking promising and never got to start or play up front regulalry in spite of looking good alongside Fletcher, because he isn't MON's man. He would have at least troubled Hangeland today rather than letting him stand in the way of everything.

I have admitted that I was wrong on here plenty times, even psoted threads to accept the fact, just not to you becuase I never have been. I have never once seen you change your opinion on anything, and plenty other people note the same.
 
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Fletcher - better than Ji
Graham - better than Campbell
Johnson - better than Elmo
Alfred - better than Meyler.

4 out of 4 improvements so far. 14 other teams in the PL have spent similar money to us in the same period as O'Neill.

Our set-pieces are abysmal.

Fletcher - better than Ji - Agree
Graham - better than Campbell - for us yet to be proved, time will tell
Johnson - better than Elmo - both as bad as each other, at least Elmo showed interest
Alfred - better than Meyler - yet to be proved, but probably, again time will tell

1 improvement so far. 14 other teams in the PL have spent similar money to us in the same period as O'Neill - of which how many are above us. ;)
 
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This. MoN defenders are on very thin ground IMO because (a) his transfer dealings (he's had money some teams can only dream of) haven't improved us and (b) our style of play and team structure is awful. Even our set pieces are dismal, there's no innnovation or anything.

He looks increasingly old, stale and finished.

15 clubs have spent more than £20m in the last year. He hasn't had any more than anyone else.

Why should they? Which other teams would have to start Gardner, Colback and Larsson every week? Which other teams have reserves as quality as Bardsley, Vaughan and Kilgallon? Our central defenders can't pass a ball to save their lives, are slow and old. Until these things change then we'll struggle and we will change them in the summer and look a much better team for it. We're completely rebuilding and doing it slowly instead of ending up with a load of shite like we did in the summer of 2011.

Fletcher - better than Ji
Graham - better than Campbell
Johnson - better than Elmo
Alfred - better than Meyler.

4 out of 4 improvements so far.

14 other teams in the PL have spent similar money to us in the same period as O'Neill.

Our set-pieces are abysmal.

Totally agree with every word.

Fletcher - better than Ji - Agree
Graham - better than Campbell - for us yet to be proved, time will tell
Johnson - better than Elmo - both as bad as each other, at least Elmo showed interest
Alfred - better than Meyler - yet to be proved, but probably, again time will tell

1 improvement so far. 14 other teams in the PL have spent similar money to us in the same period as O'Neill - of which how many are above us. ;)

:lol:

Johnson has 4 goals and 7 assists so far this season. Elmo didn't manage a quarter of that in twice as many matches

N'Diaye and Graham are good enough to b e competing for first team spots which already makes them better than Campbell and Meyler.
 
15 clubs have spent more than £20m in the last year. He hasn't had any more than anyone else.



N'Diaye and Graham are good enough to b e competing for first team spots which already makes them better than Campbell and Meyler.

He hasn't had an abundance of wealth but he's ahd a decent amount nonetheless, and the return has been poor in comparison.

Graham is good enough to compete on what evidence?
 
In this very thread in fact someone calls you out for your stubborness

Which bastard said that? :evil:

There are definite factions developing on here and hardening opinions. I'm yet to see any evidence here that o'neill is the right man to take us forward. Lots of exiles disagree, interestingly.
 
Can't recall of the top of my head which got extensions, need to look it up, but plenty average players

Fletcher I already mentioned. If Johnson did not have his reputation behind him he'd have nothing, he's been very very poor, worse than McClean last year on all fronts-perfromance, stats, the lot. Alfred I also mentioned so pointless to list him. Graham- is a shadow of Fletcher, no way near 5 million, has shown nothing yet gets to start, becuase he's MON's man and pride won't permit him not starring. Shown nothing to suggest he's better for us than Campbell, which is really saying a lot.

Wickham has been sent away in spite of looking promising and never got to start or play up front regulalry in spite of looking good alongside Fletcher, because he isn't MON's man. He would have at least troubled Hangeland today rather than letting him stand in the way of everything.

I have admitted that I was wrong on here plenty times, even psoted threads to accept the fact, just not to you becuase I never have been. I have never once seen you change your opinion on anything, and plenty other people note the same.

I give up if you don't think Graham is better than Campbell or Wickham. I rate Wickham by the way, definitely one for the future but he just isn't ready to be starting games. It's pure guesswork to say he would troubled BH today. I could quite as easily respond with, 'like he did against Knight in his last start?' They're both similar defenders after all.

I accept I'm wrong all of the time and change my mind when it I feel it needs changing. Why would I change my mind on O'Neill when I think he's trying to do something longterm and he's just laying foundations at the minute? Nobody ever could convince me he didn't inherit a shambles of a squad and is trying to turn it around.
 
I give up if you don't think Graham is better than Campbell or Wickham. I rate Wickham by the way, definitely one for the future but he just isn't ready to be starting games. It's pure guesswork to say he would troubled BH today. I could quite as easily respond with, 'like he did against Knight in his last start?' They're both similar defenders after all.

I accept I'm wrong all of the time and change my mind when it I feel it needs changing. Why would I change my mind on O'Neill when I think he's trying to do something longterm and he's just laying foundations at the minute? Nobody ever could convince me he didn't inherit a shambles of a squad and is trying to turn it around.

He is trying, no arguments there at all. I just have seen nothing here to suggest he's good enough to turn it around and plenty to suggest he's lost and floundering.
 
He does plenty that I don't agree with. I don't go looking for things to slag him off about when they're frankly absurd.
Makes no difference does the personnel when we have MR containment. Even at the last today we have 4 players including Alf attempting to go up for the corner. Mr containment said no.

Says it all
 
Makes no difference does the personnel when we have MR containment. Even at the last today we have 4 players including Alf attempting to go up for the corner. Mr containment said no.

Says it all

To me it says he realises Alfred can't head it at all and we'd already conceded on the break so kept an extra man back. Perfectly reasonable to do so.
 
I accept I'm wrong all of the time and change my mind when it I feel it needs changing. Why would I change my mind on O'Neill when I think he's trying to do something longterm and he's just laying foundations at the minute? Nobody ever could convince me he didn't inherit a shambles of a squad and is trying to turn it around.

Sorted, end of thread
 
Can't understand why he keeps playing Gardner right back who has gave away a few penalties this season due to inexperience in defending yet has a experienced, all be it average, right back on the bench in Bardsley who chances are wouldn't have gave either away.
 
It's pointless debating anything with you as your mind is already made up.

In fairness, the same could be applied to you. Even though I agree with a lot of what you say on the matter, it does appear at times that when looking at the problem or when blame/criticism needs to be attached, it's anyone but O'Neill (that goes for others too, of course).

Your basic point seems to be that it's the previous regime's fault for the mess we're in, and that O'Neill has his hands tied and needs to move players on before he can start improving the squad, and it'll be a gradual process.

But that doesn't mean he can't take some of the blame for some of the negative aspects we've had to put up with in the past year, be it the state of the football, the signings or the some of the results.

Perhaps you're just doing what I've been guilty of in the past. I spent a lot of time talking about how I didn't believe he was 'the messiah' and how he didn't do such a terrific job at Villa, as many would lead you to believe. Somehow this turned me into a 'bed-wetter' or 'knee-jerker' :)oops: how does that even work?). On the opposite end of the spectrum, you spend a lot of time repeating what I spoke about above.

I dunno, it just seems a lot of people can't seem to be objective.
 
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