Martin Bain Interview on Safc.com


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You can run a tight ship and have a great business model but a football club is judged by points gained and position in the table.

Sunderland have failed badly both on the pitch and in the transfer window. Talking about Moyes being here for the long term was fine on paper 3 months ago but we need to see some sort of progress on a Saturday afternoon.

Shite results, shit football and no glimmer of hope will harm any long term vision for the club.

Hopefully the powers that be at the club aren't blinded by some long term pipe dream. You need the right man at the helm to carry out a long term plan. Sam was potentially that man. Moyes has shown little or nothing as yet to suggest he is that man.
 
Instead of focusing on volume Moyes needed to focus on smaller numbers and quality. The youth players would have been good enough as squad fillers.

Allardyce bought well on a shoestring in the last window while in a dog fight. I understand Moyes didn't have that much time but he couldn't do the same.

BSA had from October to Jan to plan those. Moyes had 4 weeks. Let's see what January brings.
 
I watched that and I dunno what to think. He speaks well but surely in any business you need to speculate to accumulate and we haven't done this.
If we are successful to an extent on the pitch ie: winning some games. The business side will be better but we haven't invested enough. He didn't mention that.
I Nearly fell ower when he mentions "thinking outside the box " ! A bit David Brent I think.
Those who have seen it what's your views?
You been under a rock for 10 years.
He has speculated 250m plus over the past 10 years.
This compares very very favourably with majority of teams outside top 6 in same period.
His problem has been crap managers, but nevertheless managers we all wanted.
Who can forget the flowers to da's wife? Cringeworthy.
MoN the messiah.
2 win de canio ...must be given a chance.
LC final gus....must be given a chance.
20 20 hindsight is in plague proportions on here. He gave us what we wanted.
No good...sack the manager.
Or... we'll get nowhere if we keep sacking managers
Bairns on here want it both ways .
I believe moyes should go..he has the stench of MoN mk 2. I'd be gutted if we kept him and went down.
Bain...he's seen it all before at rangers. This worries me by the way.
He's in charge of a club that takes its supportes for granted..... again.

BSA had from October to Jan to plan those. Moyes had 4 weeks. Let's see what January brings.
Meanwhile the clock ticked.
The clock was not ticking for moyes.
He bought crap and he clearly has gone backwards in terms of organising the team.
Totally false, disingenuous comparison on your part tbf
 
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You been under a rock for 10 years.
He has speculated 250m plus over the past 10 years.
This compares very very favourably with majority of teams outside top 6 in same period.
His problem has been crap managers, but nevertheless managers we all wanted.
Who can forget the flowers to da's wife? Cringeworthy.
MoN the messiah.
2 win de canio ...must be given a chance.
LC final gus....must be given a chance.
20 20 hindsight is in plague proportions on here. He gave us what we wanted.
No good...sack the manager.
Or... we'll get nowhere if we keep sacking managers
Bairns on here want it both ways .
I believe moyes should go..he has the stench of MoN mk 2. I'd be gutted if we kept him and went down.
Bain...he's seen it all before at rangers. This worries me by the way.
He's in charge of a club that takes its supportes for granted..... again.


Meanwhile the clock ticked.
The clock was not ticking for moyes.
He bought crap and he clearly has gone backwards in terms of organising the team.
Totally false, disingenuous comparison on your part tbf

People like you are part of the problem "tbf'. All rests on the manager. Don't get instant results, sack em.

And if you don't agree. Let us all know what the solution is.
 
Well it's difficult to judge until we get a full squad or at least closer to it, I agree there.
You can imo, you just have to recruit well. 2/3 signings for decent money, a couple of loans and 2/3 cheap free/cheap squad fillers. You aren't going to make huge leaps forward admittedly but we could have moved the squad/team forward and been more competitive.
How much would be enough?
Well that depends what was judged to be needed. We needed to sign Yann M'Vila for CM, a Striker, a winger, and once Kaboul left, a CB. A decent striker have cost around £15M, CB about £10M, M'Vila was anything from about £4M to £12M according to rumours. And a winger would easily have been roughly £10M. There's £47M using the highest figures for the 4 needed before we even talk loans and squad players. Squad players would have come in at another £20M, 5 players in at around £4M a piece average.

This summer more than ever clubs had to spend significant fees to get quality players, I don't think there was a single signing that made me think that's a great deal for that player! And that's thanks to the new TV deal, the fact the club didn't see this coming is the worrying thing. Had we spent £40M we'd have stood a better chance at having the players available and the right sort of balance in the squad. Once again we had to do a lot with a tiny amount. 10 players in for an average of £2.7M sounds great on paper, but just look at the quality of the 10.
 
People like you are part of the problem "tbf'. All rests on the manager. Don't get instant results, sack em.

And if you don't agree. Let us all know what the solution is.
I was giving examples and then stating my preference.
What you are accusing me of is no different to your sort who want to sit on the fence.
Dont like it dont read it

Well that depends what was judged to be needed. We needed to sign Yann M'Vila for CM, a Striker, a winger, and once Kaboul left, a CB. A decent striker have cost around £15M, CB about £10M, M'Vila was anything from about £4M to £12M according to rumours. And a winger would easily have been roughly £10M. There's £47M using the highest figures for the 4 needed before we even talk loans and squad players. Squad players would have come in at another £20M, 5 players in at around £4M a piece average.

This summer more than ever clubs had to spend significant fees to get quality players, I don't think there was a single signing that made me think that's a great deal for that player! And that's thanks to the new TV deal, the fact the club didn't see this coming is the worrying thing. Had we spent £40M we'd have stood a better chance at having the players available and the right sort of balance in the squad. Once again we had to do a lot with a tiny amount. 10 players in for an average of £2.7M sounds great on paper, but just look at the quality of the 10.
But we could have had mvila over ndong or mcnair. Saving at least 13m
We wasted 8m it appears on papy.
I dont trust moyes with spending if the past summer is anything to go by.
To say he needed 40m when he wasted 27m to start with is giving him excuses he doesnt deserve
 
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I was giving examples and then stating my preference.
What you are accusing me of is no different to your sort who want to sit on the fence.
Dont like it dont read it


But we could have had mvila over ndong or mcnair. Saving at least 13m
We wasted 8m it appears on papy.
I dont trust moyes with spending if the past summer is anything to go by.
To say he needed 40m when he wasted 27m to start with is giving him excuses he doesnt deserve
In truth we have no idea what M'Vila would have cost. M'Vila may well have cost £10M for all we know, the fee was never truly made public. Personally I'd have paid every penny they asked for. But then it's not my business or my money. The £27M wasn't used to its best but it's not been 'wasted' we've over spent on some players and bought the wrong players at the wrong time in some regards, but we've never seen Moyes best on paper 11 on the pitch due to injuries, and I think that's what he himself and the club think. We shall wait and see what happens, it's all too easy for us the fans to say do this or do that.
 
In truth we have no idea what M'Vila would have cost. M'Vila may well have cost £10M for all we know, the fee was never truly made public. Personally I'd have paid every penny they asked for. But then it's not my business or my money. The £27M wasn't used to its best but it's not been 'wasted' we've over spent on some players and bought the wrong players at the wrong time in some regards, but we've never seen Moyes best on paper 11 on the pitch due to injuries, and I think that's what he himself and the club think. We shall wait and see what happens, it's all too easy for us the fans to say do this or do that.
So are you suggesting that papy and ndong are not members of his best 11?
Are you suggesting that even if mvila were 13m you wouldnt have had him over ndong or mcnair.
Manqillo is part of his best 11 or is it a fit billy jones!
The players that are unfit are players he didnt buy.
Fair enough you believe he needs more of a chance.
Read my posts over the past few years and the last manager I had a gripe with was MoN. Moyes to me is looking exactly the same.
He looks lost. He sounds lost. To me he's lost
 
Well that depends what was judged to be needed. We needed to sign Yann M'Vila for CM, a Striker, a winger, and once Kaboul left, a CB. A decent striker have cost around £15M, CB about £10M, M'Vila was anything from about £4M to £12M according to rumours. And a winger would easily have been roughly £10M. There's £47M using the highest figures for the 4 needed before we even talk loans and squad players. Squad players would have come in at another £20M, 5 players in at around £4M a piece average.

This summer more than ever clubs had to spend significant fees to get quality players, I don't think there was a single signing that made me think that's a great deal for that player! And that's thanks to the new TV deal, the fact the club didn't see this coming is the worrying thing. Had we spent £40M we'd have stood a better chance at having the players available and the right sort of balance in the squad. Once again we had to do a lot with a tiny amount. 10 players in for an average of £2.7M sounds great on paper, but just look at the quality of the 10.
I think you can play that game all day. No way were we going to sign a striker for £15m when they weren't going to be first choice ahead of Defoe.
Did we really need a winger? Borini and khazri should be first choice as they were last year in the run in.
We certainly needed a CB and a rb as well as a cm. so to use your figures that's £10m on a CB. £5m for a rb (Yedlin went for about that) and lets split the difference on m'vila and say £8.5m.
That gives us almost the same side that we finished last season with apart from Kaboul replaced by a £10m centre back.
Then i think we need to use the other £8/9m depending on who is available with two loans and a couple of free transfers as cover.
We would need a forward, winger, cm and defender.
That leaves us in a reasonable position imo assuming we recruit well, obviously we would still be struggling with the number of injuries we have but that's inevitable.
You hope that team can stay together as they did for the second half of last season and keep us up then we are in a position to spend £12-£15m on a couple of players to improve us. Or we hope someone like Kone continues his form and we can sell for £25m that's the only was we are going to be able to spend £50m in the foreseeable future.
You say £40m would have given us a better chance but we spent £32m. We might have got one more player, I don't think it would have made a huge difference. Probably £50m would have allowed us to turn around the squad without having to rely on the couple of cheap squad fillers.
 
So are you suggesting that papy and ndong are not members of his best 11?
Are you suggesting that even if mvila were 13m you wouldnt have had him over ndong or mcnair.
Manqillo is part of his best 11 or is it a fit billy jones!
The players that are unfit are players he didnt buy.
Fair enough you believe he needs more of a chance.
Read my posts over the past few years and the last manager I had a gripe with was MoN. Moyes to me is looking exactly the same.
He looks lost. He sounds lost. To me he's lost
MON had a great start with us. This situation is nowt like his
 
Pair of idiots

Build for what?

The championship?

He's naive as fuck

He's in for a shock like, when the crowd turns
 
I was giving examples and then stating my preference.
What you are accusing me of is no different to your sort who want to sit on the fence.
Dont like it dont read it


But we could have had mvila over ndong or mcnair. Saving at least 13m
We wasted 8m it appears on papy.
I dont trust moyes with spending if the past summer is anything to go by.
To say he needed 40m when he wasted 27m to start with is giving him excuses he doesnt deserve
You seem to think what you post, that all us on here should just take as fact. you are quite literate and articulate in your use of words and well done for that
However you NEVER give a sensible answer to put the situation right, you just seem to slag off others views and if they do not match yours then you don't like it
SACK Moyes is your answer to our problem, that's only the tip of the problem at SAFC.
This club needs surgery to cut out certain parts in order for Short or any new owner to start the building the club from the kids to the 1st team the AOL needs a clear out to many poor or average coaches poor management and structure of staffing (there are more staff than players over there)
The u23's has 3 or 4 players worth keeping we need a top coach to come in and weed out the chaff, then get our scouts to find 10-14 quality youngsters who have a chance of being a player.
The 1st team is no good to man nor beast AT THE MINUTE and giving the 1st team the day off yesterday shows how numb we are. these so called pro's need to be drilled until its in their thick skulls on how to mark a man and stick to a pattern of play and stop ball watching (the 2 goals at stoke were a great example) i go to prem and championship clubs all week thats my business NO OTHER CLUB GETS DAYS OFF when they are on a shite run, we are a joke.
I was at Birmingham city yesterday on Tuesday they won 4-2 but still in at 9.15am for a warm down then out till 12.30pm doing nothing but set play defending and attack where were we OFF, we can't pass, we can't hold on to the ball and we can't defend WTF is going on

Rangers taking fans for granted was not the problem! It was David Murray trying to give them whatever they wanted
it was not just David mate it was all the other fuckwit greedy bastards at the club there were loads of them Murray tried but failed he admits that, the others just lined their pockets
 
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Do you think Philpot and Bain have previous, or does Philpot have a bad rep or what?

Not sure. Think Philpot expected to becoming AOL gaffer but JM holds to much power and Bain didn't even consider Philpot. Full pay gardening leave is decent though.

You seem to think what you post, that all us on here should just take as fact. you are quite literate and articulate in your use of words and well done for that
However you NEVER give a sensible answer to put the situation right, you just seem to slag off others views and if they do not match yours then you don't like it
SACK Moyes is your answer to our problem, that's only the tip of the problem at SAFC.
This club needs surgery to cut out certain parts in order for Short or any new owner to start the building the club from the kids to the 1st team the AOL needs a clear out to many poor or average coaches poor management and structure of staffing (there are more staff than players over there)
The u23's has 3 or 4 players worth keeping we need a top coach to come in and weed out the chaff, then get our scouts to find 10-14 quality youngsters who have a chance of being a player.
The 1st team is no good to man nor beast AT THE MINUTE and giving the 1st team the day off yesterday shows how numb we are. these so called pro's need to be drilled until its in their thick skulls on how to mark a man and stick to a pattern of play and stop ball watching (the 2 goals at stoke were a great example) i go to prem and championship clubs all week thats my business NO OTHER CLUB GETS DAYS OFF when they are on a shite run, we are a joke.
I was at Birmingham city yesterday on Tuesday they won 4-2 but still in at 9.15am for a warm down then out till 12.30pm doing nothing but set play defending and attack where were we OFF, we can't pass, we can't hold on to the ball and we can't defend WTF is going on


it was not just David mate it was all the other fuckwit greedy bastards at the club there were loads of them Murray tried but failed he admits that, the others just lined their pockets

Moyes doesnt have a sniff compared to BSA in training and preparation
 
Far too much corporate bullshit in there for me. Contradicts himself by implying the concerts will have to stop then talks about exploring every revenue stream possible. Granted it's not a good time for him to be speaking with the club being the shambles it is, but ultimately the buck stops with him and Moyes.
 
Not sure. Think Philpot expected to becoming AOL gaffer but JM holds to much power and Bain didn't even consider Philpot. Full pay gardening leave is decent though.



Moyes doesnt have a sniff compared to BSA in training and preparation
i totally agree but BSA has gone will not come back and we have Moyes
 
Moyes has been awful but I'm not having this like. Our squad is tiny and bringing in smaller numbers was not the answer, how on earth would it be?

We needed 3/4 first team signings AND players to fill out the squad. That wasn't going to happen with what we had to spend.
Who's the players he spend money on though, Ndong, McNair, Papy, Love? We could have bought 3 better players than them for the same money.

We could have also getting the like of Victor, Pienaar, Adnan, Denayer still as they were either free or loans.
 
The things I took from it are...
1) Moyes is here for the long term(right decision IMO).
2) Although he didn't actually say it, I think we are going to knock the concerts and all that shite on the head. Mentioned a couple of times about focusing all the commercial stuff towards things that related to the football side of the business and cutting other things out.
3) Sounds like him and Moyes might be doing talk-ins and actually start interacting with the fans. A good move IMO.
4) The policy now is to sign young players and then sell them on for a profit.
I don't mind the concerts being held at the stadium. The stadium should be for everyone in Sunderland and out with to enjoy, not just football fans. Concerts bring money into the city and put the city on the map, albeit for one night only.
 
So are you suggesting that papy and ndong are not members of his best 11?

When he signed him I don't think Moyes envisaged him being anything other than a squad member, that he could "ease in" after working with him - then only as injuries and form dictated.

Unfortunately, the situation with Kaboul meant any thoughts like that had to be thrown out of the window.
 
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