Making a Murderer (Netflix)


they could lock up almost everyone that featured in the entire programme and there'd be little loss to society

* I did like the defence attorney with the glasses, the other one not so much
 
you dont have to have a theory to support a hunch. thats what i dont get about the prosecution, they seemed to insist that if the defendant was going to deny it, they were obliged to come up with an alternative theory and suspect. thats not how it works surely? if i get accused of something i didnt do, it doesnt then imply that i have to find out what actually happened to prove my innocence
Surely if you (not you necessarily) think the ex did it, it's not unreasonable to be expected to say how it might have played out?
 
Surely if you (not you necessarily) think the ex did it, it's not unreasonable to be expected to say how it might have played out?

with only the information given in the documentary, it would be impossible to comment other than wild conjecture. however you can just have a 'hunch'.

i've watched the whole thing and read up as much as i can online and still, if i were a betting man, i couldn't decide where i would put my money on the truth lying. i dont believe anything the police said (about the burn pit, bones location, blood, anything) so i think most of the evidence we have seen is fabricated in some way. thats just me being ultra-suspicious. i think the story on Reddit about the German guy who lived close by held some weight, but it is still a long way from what that story suggests to what he got put away for. i believe the cousin / step-brother were in on it in some way, probably paid by the police to give the evidence they did to help the prosecution.

it just seems bizarre that the police needed something to stick on him before the lawsuit came about, and they were that lucky that someone was murdered close by to his house, just in the nick of time, and in a secretive enough manner to allow the police to not even bother looking for the murderer and begin the set up. that part of me believes that the police were involved in her murder in the first place, but the thought of that being true is absurd.

i dont know what happened to her, not many people actually do. but i truly believe that it had absolutely fuck all to do with Avery. if i were a betting man, i would bet my house on him being innocent
 
with only the information given in the documentary, it would be impossible to comment other than wild conjecture. however you can just have a 'hunch'.

i've watched the whole thing and read up as much as i can online and still, if i were a betting man, i couldn't decide where i would put my money on the truth lying. i dont believe anything the police said (about the burn pit, bones location, blood, anything) so i think most of the evidence we have seen is fabricated in some way. thats just me being ultra-suspicious. i think the story on Reddit about the German guy who lived close by held some weight, but it is still a long way from what that story suggests to what he got put away for. i believe the cousin / step-brother were in on it in some way, probably paid by the police to give the evidence they did to help the prosecution.

it just seems bizarre that the police needed something to stick on him before the lawsuit came about, and they were that lucky that someone was murdered close by to his house, just in the nick of time, and in a secretive enough manner to allow the police to not even bother looking for the murderer and begin the set up. that part of me believes that the police were involved in her murder in the first place, but the thought of that being true is absurd.

i dont know what happened to her, not many people actually do. but i truly believe that it had absolutely fuck all to do with Avery. if i were a betting man, i would bet my house on him being innocent
I certainly wouldn't bet my house on him being innocent but there's enough there to make you wonder.

I'm just interested in alternative theories, especially when someone reckons it's the brother or the ex or whatever. That's one of those conspiracy theories that once you start going into detail just sounds even more crazy than the 'official' story.
 
I certainly wouldn't bet my house on him being innocent but there's enough there to make you wonder.

I'm just interested in alternative theories, especially when someone reckons it's the brother or the ex or whatever. That's one of those conspiracy theories that once you start going into detail just sounds even more crazy than the 'official' story.

you can only make conclusions based on what evidence you accept as being 100% factual. couple of things for me make me 99.9% sure that he is innocent

1) the phone call to his lass recorded hours after he is supposed to have murdered her. no way could anyone act like that.

2) lack of motive... why would he do it? after spending 18 years in jail and weeks away from $35million, why the fuck would he do that? there is a very obvious motive for the police to set him up

3) lack of DNA in house and garage, where it is claimed it all happened.

4) the amount of made up evidence that the police came up with. it wasnt just one or two items to beef up their theory, they literally made up the whole case. they were determined. he didnt stand a chance.

i have no idea what actually happened, but i'm pretty sure i know what didnt happen.

i cant help thinking that the police had something to do with her murder. its too coincidental that she was murdered close to his house, just before the payout. if she wasnt murdered in the nick of time, i dont believe these police officers would have just sat back and watch him claim the money. a part of me thinks it had been planned for months and months
 
with only the information given in the documentary, it would be impossible to comment other than wild conjecture. however you can just have a 'hunch'.

i've watched the whole thing and read up as much as i can online and still, if i were a betting man, i couldn't decide where i would put my money on the truth lying. i dont believe anything the police said (about the burn pit, bones location, blood, anything) so i think most of the evidence we have seen is fabricated in some way. thats just me being ultra-suspicious. i think the story on Reddit about the German guy who lived close by held some weight, but it is still a long way from what that story suggests to what he got put away for. i believe the cousin / step-brother were in on it in some way, probably paid by the police to give the evidence they did to help the prosecution.

it just seems bizarre that the police needed something to stick on him before the lawsuit came about, and they were that lucky that someone was murdered close by to his house, just in the nick of time, and in a secretive enough manner to allow the police to not even bother looking for the murderer and begin the set up. that part of me believes that the police were involved in her murder in the first place, but the thought of that being true is absurd.

i dont know what happened to her, not many people actually do. but i truly believe that it had absolutely fuck all to do with Avery. if i were a betting man, i would bet my house on him being innocent
Nah its just a coincidence that a day or two before the 36million pound lawsuit was to go through that the police (including those 2 who the lawsuit was almost directly linked to) were able to pin a murder on avery. Only in America! God bless america
 
you can only make conclusions based on what evidence you accept as being 100% factual. couple of things for me make me 99.9% sure that he is innocent

1) the phone call to his lass recorded hours after he is supposed to have murdered her. no way could anyone act like that.

2) lack of motive... why would he do it? after spending 18 years in jail and weeks away from $35million, why the fuck would he do that? there is a very obvious motive for the police to set him up

3) lack of DNA in house and garage, where it is claimed it all happened.

4) the amount of made up evidence that the police came up with. it wasnt just one or two items to beef up their theory, they literally made up the whole case. they were determined. he didnt stand a chance.

i have no idea what actually happened, but i'm pretty sure i know what didnt happen.

i cant help thinking that the police had something to do with her murder. its too coincidental that she was murdered close to his house, just before the payout. if she wasnt murdered in the nick of time, i dont believe these police officers would have just sat back and watch him claim the money. a part of me thinks it had been planned for months and months
You think the police murdered her?

Do you think they knew she was going there and somehow managed to come up with a conspiracy to stop her and kill her. Then start planting loads of evidence? Really?

Would it not have just been easier to kill him rather than kill an innocent young girl then go to all the risk of planting evidence and having a trial?
 
Surely if you (not you necessarily) think the ex did it, it's not unreasonable to be expected to say how it might have played out?
Somebody can just look shifty.

You think the police murdered her?

Do you think they knew she was going there and somehow managed to come up with a conspiracy to stop her and kill her. Then start planting loads of evidence? Really?

Would it not have just been easier to kill him rather than kill an innocent young girl then go to all the risk of planting evidence and having a trial?

She went missing, her last known sighting was at Avery's place.

They then fit him up. They seem to have carte blanche to fit any one up they don't like.
 
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You think the police murdered her?

Do you think they knew she was going there and somehow managed to come up with a conspiracy to stop her and kill her. Then start planting loads of evidence? Really?

Would it not have just been easier to kill him rather than kill an innocent young girl then go to all the risk of planting evidence and having a trial?

not sure, like i said, its all conjecture. 10 people can be provided with the same evidence (or documentary) and either come up with 1o different scenarios or no plausible explanation between them.

i dont think it would have been easier for the police to kill him, as it would have been the obvious thing for them to 'try' and certainly would have looked suspicious, and even then, the lawsuit and $35m probably would have still went through but granted to his next of kin
 
you can only make conclusions based on what evidence you accept as being 100% factual. couple of things for me make me 99.9% sure that he is innocent

1) the phone call to his lass recorded hours after he is supposed to have murdered her. no way could anyone act like that.

2) lack of motive... why would he do it? after spending 18 years in jail and weeks away from $35million, why the fuck would he do that? there is a very obvious motive for the police to set him up

3) lack of DNA in house and garage, where it is claimed it all happened.

4) the amount of made up evidence that the police came up with. it wasnt just one or two items to beef up their theory, they literally made up the whole case. they were determined. he didnt stand a chance.

i have no idea what actually happened, but i'm pretty sure i know what didnt happen.

i cant help thinking that the police had something to do with her murder. its too coincidental that she was murdered close to his house, just before the payout. if she wasnt murdered in the nick of time, i dont believe these police officers would have just sat back and watch him claim the money. a part of me thinks it had been planned for months and months

Just to play devil's advocate - it is plausible for someone to make a 'calm' phone call after committing a murder, and the motive for rape & murder is not usually rational but more a case of the perpetrator being mentally disturbed.
 
Just to play devil's advocate - it is plausible for someone to make a 'calm' phone call after committing a murder, and the motive for rape & murder is not usually rational but more a case of the perpetrator being mentally disturbed.

not someone, i believe, with an IQ as low as his.

theres no other evidence to suggest he is 'mentally disturbed' either, just not very bright. there's a massive difference
 
I stopped watching after ten minutes of episode 4. The kid's lawyer had an assistant and he was interviewing the kid and asking him to tell the truth. The truth being what they wanted him to say to get him off. I just got too angry with the whole thing. I don't get angry at stuff normally.

I was the same watching it, it fills you with anger one minute and incredulity the next. It's worth continuing though, just so you can see what an absolute mess the whole thing was.
 
I actually think Steven killed her but the police planted evidence to secure the conviction. If you do a bit of research online there is some additional evidence that points to him. Seems he was a bit obsessed with Teresa, rang her from a withheld number a few times that day. That said the amount of evidence to suggest police planted evidence should of resulted in the case being thrown out. It was not a safe conviction beyond reasonable doubt.

Also I'm undecided on Brendans involvement he obviously was forced into saying a lot of things although again research online suggests he did say things that only he could know which seem to add up with other evidence. The thing is there is no way the whole bedroom story can be true because none of Teresa's DNA was found in the bedroom or mattress.
 
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You think the police murdered her?

Do you think they knew she was going there and somehow managed to come up with a conspiracy to stop her and kill her. Then start planting loads of evidence? Really?

Would it not have just been easier to kill him rather than kill an innocent young girl then go to all the risk of planting evidence and having a trial?
That's what some official suggested in trial isn't it?
 
I've come full circle on this and I'm now convinced that Avery was guilty and Dassey did play some part in it. The bones found on his property are the key for me - I don't care how much the police hated Avery or how much money was at stake, there's no way they'd move the bones of a murder victim like that.

Dassey admitted in a phone call to his mam that he did "some of it" (the rape and murder), plus his jeans were covered in bleach when he returned home the evening of the crime.
 
I've come full circle on this and I'm now convinced that Avery was guilty and Dassey did play some part in it. The bones found on his property are the key for me - I don't care how much the police hated Avery or how much money was at stake, there's no way they'd move the bones of a murder victim like that.

Dassey admitted in a phone call to his mam that he did "some of it" (the rape and murder), plus his jeans were covered in bleach when he returned home the evening of the crime.

Do you realise how much cleaning would have to be done for there to be no blood at the scene? More likely that Avery knocked the whole building down and rebuilt it, than that he cleaned it that well.
 

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