Making a Murderer (Netflix)


That was a cracking watch. I came into it not knowing a single thing about the case so found it very gripping. It was infuriating observing some of the 'tactics' employed by the police. I was hoping there'd be more of a definite conclusion. I think everyone feels that there are things that are left unexplained at the end. There's so much to discuss.

It was obviously aimed at making the viewer want to believe Avery is being framed, so I imagine we aren't seeing everything so can't make a totally accurate conclusion over the events. Whilst watching it I thought there was no way they could find him guilty, so was quite shocked when the verdict came back. Having thought it all over afterwards, I'm not 100% convinced Avery (or Dassey) are definitely not guilty - but from the evidence we were shown there should be no way that they could be considered guilty beyond reasonable doubt. I think it's extremely unlikely the events panned out as suggested by the prosecutor (where's the blood in the bedroom/garage? Where's Brendan's DNA at said places? Why would they put her in the car only to ultimately burn her outside the trailer?).

It's obvious that the evidence was tampered with. I believe the key and bullet were 100% placed there. I'm not totally convinced by the blood but it looks very dodgy given the vial was tampered with. And I think it looks very likely that Colburn found the car before it discovered by the search group. Whether it was already on Avery's land is not obvious, but would go a long way to helping understand what actually happened. I wish Colburn was grilled more on this topic.

I wonder how far the police were willing to go. Would they have coordinated with a murderer just to frame Avery? Would they have dumped the bones outside Avery's trailer? I think that's a little too far. But who knows?

As has been mentioned, certain people look shady at times. Her voicemail account was hacked after she went missing and it seems certain messages were deleted. This didn't seem to get much attention from the defence lawyers from what we saw. People's alibis didn't sound convincing (ex-boyfriend not knowing what time of day he last saw her. Bobby and Scott seemingly lying about the times they saw Steven and Teresa etc.). I think if it was not Avery, it would most likely be someone living on the Avery land, and therefore had the best opportunity to place the bones without looking too suspicious (the Scott & Bobby theory). That theory about the German man would explain things too, but I'm not convinced that it's true....

I do hope we get some clarity at some point. I can't stop thinking about it at the moment!

Personal opinion only but I think Avery's brother had something to do with it as has been suggested elsewhere, but the police also tried to plant evidence to try and fit Steven Avery up, which is why all of the evidence is so inconsistent.
 
Having watched the 50 minute ID programme I have reasonable doubt. Did the series give people the same impression? The fact that the sex pest/pervert prosecutor was given so long on the ID show failed to remove my reasonable doubt. 2 days for a jury to deliberate also suggests that despite the "overwhelming" evidence they certainly weren't certain.
 
Did you hear Averys nephews tribute song to him and his brother. " they didn't do it"!!! Number one material that. Was the best part of that documentary last night.
 
I guessed my ex's password :lol::lol::lol::lol:

Aye mate course you did
What's that about?

I've only seen the 1 hour ID show but it looks highly suspicious. I watch a lot of true murder stuff on ID and and CI and if she was stabbed and had her throat cut in the bedroom there is absolutely no way on earth all traces of blood could have been cleaned up. Same with the garage she was supposedly in including finding the bullet. No one manages to remove all blood traces from a murder scene.
 
What's that about?

I've only seen the 1 hour ID show but it looks highly suspicious. I watch a lot of true murder stuff on ID and and CI and if she was stabbed and had her throat cut in the bedroom there is absolutely no way on earth all traces of blood could have been cleaned up. Same with the garage she was supposedly in including finding the bullet. No one manages to remove all blood traces from a murder scene.

Her ex accessed her phone records by guessing her username and password, one of the voicemails was deleted not long after she went missing.
 
If you don't know whether to watch it (I recommend it, though Xmas Eve isn't the best time to start watching it), here's the 1st episode. Netflix hoyed it on Youtube for anyone to watch and the rest are out there as has been posted in this thread also.



Although there are already spoilers in the thread, if you don't want any more spoilers then don't scroll down to read this next post.


















I saw this pic on Twitter but you may not make it out, especially if you can't image zoom.


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Here's a link to the text version and I've copied the text below.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMur...11_the_excused_just_posted_this_on_fb_to_the/

Juror#11( the excused) just posted this on FB to the Steven Avery Project FB Page (self.MakingaMurderer)
submitted 21 hours ago * by shadina123

I was juror #11 Excused after 4 hrs of deliberating. After reviewing all of the DVD's from dassey interrogations which were given to me by Dean and Jerry at the Dassey trial , hearing all the evidence in the courtroom and watching making a murderer. It is clear to me that Steven did not do this. Right when we got into the deliberating room to deliberate one of the jurors who is the father of the Manitowoc County sheriff's deputy shouted it out he's guilty and refused to look at the evidence. I also met with a juror after the trial and ask him why they convicted him and his statement was think of all the things he did when he was younger. Now if that's why they convicted him that is just one more reason to have a retrial, in my opinion. And so much didn't add up to Steven doing this. Rick the excused juror.

He has photos as well. https://www.facebook.com/Steven-Avery-Project-161414550884179/?fref=nf

VERIFIED: http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/29326359.html thanks
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Now in the VERIFIED link above to the Milwaukee-Wisconsin Journal Setinel mentions this

Perhaps more to the point for Avery, the panel selected Friday includes a man whose son works for the Manitowoc County Sheriff's Department and a man whose wife works for the Manitowoc County clerk of courts office. Avery, 44, is charged with killing 25-year-old photographer Teresa Halbach.

Those connections are significant because Avery claims that a vial of his blood was left unsecured in the clerk's office and that sheriff's deputies used it to plant his blood inside Halbach's vehicle.




Made in Chelsea? :lol: Like I said, it's like 24, Prison Break, Lost and Dexter combined with all the twists and turns. You couldn't make this shit up if you tried but it will initially make you wonder if it is scripted in some way as it's simply so unbelievable that it happened that way!

It's gaining momentum and rightly so in my opinion as there's a few too many things just not right. The saddest fact is, someone killed that poor lass and she's not coming back. It may well have been the 2 who got done for it and the evidence was just 'enhanced' to ensure a conviction. The concern being, all the other shit still doesn't fit together too well!

What was really astonishing was when Sheriff Petersen said they could have just killed Avery so why would they try to frame him? Well could they just kill the lass to protect themselves? I don't think so but I could well believe they could frame the 2 lads.

I did think they'd get a new trial while watching it and couldn't believe it when they didn't. I reckon this will change now the documentary has created doubt in the minds of just about everyone who watches it as it's gaining momentum.

For the Arsebook and Tw@tter users

https://www.facebook.com/Steven-Avery-Project-161414550884179/?fref=nf

https://twitter.com/HelpStevenAvery

p.s. Not the best pic of her but this reporter was a wad! Though at first she looked very similar to an actress I've seen before but couldn't recall her name. This also threw me along the "this is made up" route)

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Her ex accessed her phone records by guessing her username and password, one of the voicemails was deleted not long after she went missing.

I don't know much about these things, but if someone deletes a voicemail from their account is it truly gone without trace?
 
What's that about?

I've only seen the 1 hour ID show but it looks highly suspicious. I watch a lot of true murder stuff on ID and and CI and if she was stabbed and had her throat cut in the bedroom there is absolutely no way on earth all traces of blood could have been cleaned up. Same with the garage she was supposedly in including finding the bullet. No one manages to remove all blood traces from a murder scene.

especially with an IQ of 78
 
I find it hard to believe that the makers of the programme couldn't find some time within ten episodes to cover some of the things they appear to have deliberately not shown that would've tipped the viewer's perceptions away from Avery's innocence.
They are trying to highlight the problems in the prosecutions case, nowhere do they claim to be getting to the truth of the murder itself, they are showing how a "murderer" can be made solely by the police.

On a similar story to Making a Murderer, has anyone watched Give up Tomorrow on Netflix?
It's about a Philipino/Spanish lad (and his mates) convicted of the rape and murder of two lasses in the Philippines. His trial makes the Steven Avery case look legitimate.
The victims mother a particular piece of work. Obviously it was a tradgedy that she lost two daughters but the way she went on was strange. They found one body but it was never even confirmed that it was one of the sisters.

Well worth a watch.
They'll be a million cases like that in the Philippines. Murders only get investigated if the dead persons family complain, murderers can just buy their way out of prosecution (and do all the time, blood-money is a thing there) and the Police are underpaid, undermanned and famous for being open to corruption. Those that are in jail are mostly very poor and are actually awaiting trial as there is a shortage of judges as they keep dying from acute lead poisoning.

Mabuhay! Its More Fun in the Philippines!
 
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Spoiler. I think

I'm only up to episode 7 and haven't read a great deal of this thread but I know from seeing it on social media that he is found guilty.

So ive come to the conclusion that this documentary is obviously missing bits out and its very cleverly edited to make it look like he did it - because on the evidence I've seen no jury could find him guilty unless they're all bent as fuck.
 
They are trying to highlight the problems in the prosecutions case, nowhere do they claim to be getting to the truth of the murder itself, they are showing how a "murderer" can be made solely by the police.
Glad that was made clear right up front so no-one watching the programme took it a totally different way.
 
Her brother is very weird and suspect for me.

There isn't the slightest bit of evidence against him and being weird doesn't make you a suspect.

One of the more annoying aspects of the way they made this documentary was the editing and music used when he was on screen. They deliberately try to paint him as a suspect without offering any evidence
 

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