Making a Murderer (Netflix)


just finished the lot in two days, It's shocking, I simply share his lawyers view that I hope he did do it, as serving this amount of unjust time twice is unfathomable and sickening
 
just finished the lot in two days, It's shocking, I simply share his lawyers view that I hope he did do it, as serving this amount of unjust time twice is unfathomable and sickening

Do you not think that was significant thst he did say that? These fellas would hsve spent more time with him than anybody and for him to say thst made me think he believes he has done it
 
Too many inconsistences isn't there....but still not 100% sure myself tbh.

Spoiler potentially..

But what about his face when he rang the car plate in and stated thee year? For me, that told me a story..
Could read his face like a book. That was enough for me to know he found the vehicle right then. Also did you see he was the one leading dassey to the court for his trail. He look like he was desperately trying to hold back smiles. How was he allowed to do this?

Do you not think that was significant thst he did say that? These fellas would hsve spent more time with him than anybody and for him to say thst made me think he believes he has done it
I think it was wishful thinking on his part as he had so much emotion in his voice and was upset (genuinely questioning his faith in the legal system). I'm actually not sure wether he did do it or not. But I'm 100% the sheriffs manipulated the dassey confession and 100% sure they planted, moved or interfered with the evidence to further incriminate Steven! Meaning dassey is completely innocent and Stevens case should've been thrown out.

Not questioning the defence lawyers at all. They couldn't have done much more. Have you watched the show?
They were excellent, which is part of the heart ache with the verdict. Think Steven not taking the stand always going to look bad to a jury.
 
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Do you not think that was significant thst he did say that? These fellas would hsve spent more time with him than anybody and for him to say thst made me think he believes he has done it

No they don't think he did it all, they are just making a poignant point.

Haway man
 
I Don't like Mike Halbach at all, theres something about him that makes me cringe, his constant praising of the police department, his smug grins to the camera in court and his eagerness to get in front of the cameras, definite wrong un
I thought this like. There's no accounting for grief and the desire to hold somebody to task which I can understand, but the whole american media circus around it all made me feel uneasy. It can't be ethical to be able to stand in front of the nations press and proclaim a mans guilt repeatedly, and with such unswerving conviction halfway through a trial where he is allegedly inocent until proven otherwise.
 
I thought this like. There's no accounting for grief and the desire to hold somebody to task which I can understand, but the whole american media circus around it all made me feel uneasy. It can't be ethical to be able to stand in front of the nations press and proclaim a mans guilt repeatedly, and with such unswerving conviction halfway through a trial where he is allegedly inocent until proven otherwise.
The whole "murder is hot" comment summed that up.
 
I've just finished episode 4. How the hell can those two special investigators, Dassey's lawyer and his investigator live with themselves? The interviews and manipulation of that mentally challenged young lad was one of the most disgusting things I have seen.
 
I've just finished episode 4. How the hell can those two special investigators, Dassey's lawyer and his investigator live with themselves? The interviews and manipulation of that mentally challenged young lad was one of the most disgusting things I have seen.

And, for that matter, how can a judge watch it and say he sees no evidence of manipulation?
 
And, for that matter, how can a judge watch it and say he sees no evidence of manipulation?

He was in on it as well. I thought it was telling that Fassbender and Dassey's lawyer emerged from a hallway together and then the lawyer immediately sends his investigator to get that 'confession'. I hope some of these arseholes get their comeuppance.
 
Stop stating your opinion as fact mate. You know as much as anyone on this thread.


Interesting development there @johnson
I think what is more important from this chain of events is ensuring anybody, regardless of guilt, is afforded a fair and unbiased trial, and is due decent representation. The scary thing is more the effort gone to to achieve a guilty verdict and the media circus which helped shape the public's opinion. The trial was over as soon as Kratz told his absolute fabrication of the events, suitable only for viewers 15 and above.
 
I think what is more important from this chain of events is ensuring anybody, regardless of guilt, is afforded a fair and unbiased trial, and is due decent representation. The scary thing is more the effort gone to to achieve a guilty verdict and the media circus which helped shape the public's opinion. The trial was over as soon as Kratz told his absolute fabrication of the events, suitable only for viewers 15 and above.
Oh, the whole thing is mental mate. Kratz saying that in the press conference prior to the trial was unbelievable. I'm not sure of his innocence but that's not how it works, it should always be to prove his guilt.

It's just johnson being johnson that i was initially responding to. ;)
 
Oh, the whole thing is mental mate. Kratz saying that in the press conference prior to the trial was unbelievable. I'm not sure of his innocence but that's not how it works, it should always be to prove his guilt.

It's just johnson being johnson that i was initially responding to. ;)
Yeah I was agreeing. The series can be taken as a critique of the judicial process above all. I'm getting bored with people vehemently espousing Avery's innocence when, in reality, there's only one person who truly knows. I don't think he did it, but I'm not his cheerleader and wouldn't be shocked if it turned out that he did.
 
And, for that matter, how can a judge watch it and say he sees no evidence of manipulation?

no it's ok the appeal judge agreed with it all being ok ;)

Yeah I was agreeing. The series can be taken as a critique of the judicial process above all. I'm getting bored with people vehemently espousing Avery's innocence when, in reality, there's only one person who truly knows. I don't think he did it, but I'm not his cheerleader and wouldn't be shocked if it turned out that he did.

exactly, Avery's guilt or innocence is not the issue here but an unfortunate consequence of a clearly suspect investigation
 
upto episode 5, gripping stuff!

But does no one else feel like giving that 16 year old lad a slap around the chops with a wet fish and telling him to wake up! frustrating as hell, stand up for yasel youngin!
 
Interesting article in the New Yorker here about the possible issues with the way the doc was presented.

I don't agree with most of that, its not their job to prove who killed or, or to prove he Avery is innocent. It is more about how the legal system can impact a low class, poor economic family.

People can draw their own conclusions, the writer to think the makers have said he was guilty or left out huge chunks of evidence, they haven't.
 
Just finished this - what a mess. Very interesting and innocent or guilty the legal system appears to look after their own.
 

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