Making a Murderer (Netflix)


I've finished watching this and read a lot on the web from both sides. I'll write something more comprehensive later but here are some bullet points.

  • Len Kachinskey is a cúnt of the highest order
  • I think the State and Manitowoc police convinced the brother, family, ex-boyfriend, etc that it was Avery so told them what to say/do
  • Teresa was deinitely not killed or cut on Avery's bed (why didn't they DNA it?)
  • The key was DEFINITELY planted (and found on the 7th search or something)
  • The blood was most likely planted - I can't think of any other reason for the vial to have been tampered with.
  • Are the remaining 3 swabs available for testing for the presence of blood-preservative?
  • COlborn WAS at the Rav4 when he called in the licence plate.
  • That dumb bitch wasn't guided to the Rav4 by God.
  • WHy haven't the brother and ex-boyfriend been charged with accessing voicemail and call logs
AT the minute: I think it was Tadych and Bobby. Then the police did what they could to frame Steven

Oh, and why was the Wealdstone Raider appointed as Dassey's defence lawyer?

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Steven's mam was becoming more Yoda in each episode. She's probably full-on Jedi by now.

I felt so sorry for her.

just finished watching it as well. Unbelievable really.
Brendan is convicted of stabbing/raping/mutilation and no evidence of dna anywhere to be found - oh and no blood in the room either
god bless America eh

Avery's sweat was found in the car, which the documentary left out.

Surely that could be planted as well? They had access to his trailer for 8 days and I think it'd be fairly easy to transfer sweat from used clothes/bedding?
 
Just finished it last night, not sure if I missed it but is the lass even dead? Was there any tests on the bones that said yes this is the autotrader girl?
 
Many, many years ago I went to a lecture by a forensic scientist which was fascinating. One of the main things I've always remembered was that he said if you want to kill someone and want to dispose of the body don't try and burn it. The heat you'll generate from a bonfire will only char the flesh, not burn it clean to the bone.

He went on to advise (and this was before the days of DNA) that you're best off weighting it down INA river/ lake as the body quickly becomes so bloated it would be unrecognisable - should you want to know

Open air cremation is how funerals take place in Hindu culture. You can dispose of a whole body by burning it.
 
Oh and this is one of the biggest reminders of why we should never bring back capital punishment. Even the so called 'definitely did it coz of the dna like' cases can be bollocks.

Wherever there is humans involved there can be mistakes/fuckups and cover ups
 
Yes to all of it. There was no DNA or blood anywhere int he garage or her bedroom, or his trailer. The bloke has an IQ of 70, he has no capability of covering this up.

I am not sure how you can still be so cynical about the planting, its hardly a coincidence that James Lenk was at every single place when things were found

The Key was absolutely laughable quite frankly

I wouldn't be surprised if it was one of the other brothers mind. I was very clear that this bloke didn't do it mind. The phone calls recorded to his lass at the time he was supposed to be doing it was enough for me, no bloke with that IQ can pretend everything is just normal if he is speaking over a dead body.



The second one, they fed the story to the young lad. There was no DNA of her anywhere near Steven's stuff, only that bullet that magically appeared out of nowhere, and that was contaminated with other DNA



Think you watched a different programme to me like.

I think too much was made of that. It was the lab technician's DNA and as someone who routinely works with DNA (in a non-forensic setting) I can confirm it's fantastically easy to contaminate something with 'other' DNA if you're not paying attention.

And the polymerase chain reaction which is used in these types of test will amplify trace amounts of DNA exponentially.

Interestingly, on the EDTA subject - there's precedent for a suspect actually using small concentrations of anticoagulants in his own blood in order to frame the cops for planting evidence :lol:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Schneeberger

Obviously SA wouldn't have had the know-how for this like.
 
Just finished it last night, not sure if I missed it but is the lass even dead? Was there any tests on the bones that said yes this is the autotrader girl?

The bones found on the Avery residence were confirmed to be TH's. You can't test charred bones for that but they were able to find some muscle fibre which was suitable for DNA testing.

They could not do this for the remains found in one of the other burn sites 1 mile from the Avery property. They were human and female but that's as much as they could tell.
 
I was reading his brothers have been done for sexual assualts on women in the past, nailed on its one of them wrang'ns
Avery has said he thinks it was the brother with the glasses (looks like cletus from the Simpsons, forget his name)
 
I think too much was made of that. It was the lab technician's DNA and as someone who routinely works with DNA (in a non-forensic setting) I can confirm it's fantastically easy to contaminate something with 'other' DNA if you're not paying attention.

And the polymerase chain reaction which is used in these types of test will amplify trace amounts of DNA exponentially.

Interestingly, on the EDTA subject - there's precedent for a suspect actually using small concentrations of anticoagulants in his own blood in order to frame the cops for planting evidence :lol:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Schneeberger

Obviously SA wouldn't have had the know-how for this like.

You missed the point there like.

That is exactly why it was brought up, nobody is saying she tampered with the evidence, BUT she had no idea how her DNA got on, as you pointed out it is easy for it to get contaminate.

Therefore it is pretty easy for her or Avery's DNA to get on the bullet, which had been supposedly laying around in the garage for months. That is the point they were making.

The fact it was the only piece of evidence she never checked again in the history of her career is hardly coincidence like
 
Apparently Brendan's name is classy Brendan dassey, make of that what you will
 
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You missed the point there like.

That is exactly why it was brought up, nobody is saying she tampered with the evidence, BUT she had no idea how her DNA got on, as you pointed out it is easy for it to get contaminate.

Therefore it is pretty easy for her or Avery's DNA to get on the bullet, which had been supposedly laying around in the garage for months. That is the point they were making.

The fact it was the only piece of evidence she never checked again in the history of her career is hardly coincidence like

Nor am I.

I was responding purely to your point that it was contaminated with other (the lab technician's) DNA. I did not offer an opinion on why that evidence was questioned, or anything else. I'm suggesting that attacking that particular part of the evidence is meaningless. Even if the sample was not contaminated there'd still be a suggestion that evidence was planted because of the circumstances of the search and the manner in which the entire investigation was conducted. That DNA gets around is indisputable.

I'd also suggest you've missed quite a lot if you think it was Avery's DNA they found on a bullet they alleged TH was shot with.

The fact that it was the only time she broke with protocol is significant and tells us just how much the police department 'wanted' a conviction.
 
Nor am I.

I was responding purely to your point that it was contaminated with other (the lab technician's) DNA. I did not offer an opinion on why that evidence was questioned, or anything else. I'm suggesting that attacking that particular part of the evidence is meaningless. Even if the sample was not contaminated there'd still be a suggestion that evidence was planted because of the circumstances of the search and the manner in which the entire investigation was conducted. That DNA gets around is indisputable.

I'd also suggest you've missed quite a lot if you think it was Avery's DNA they found on a bullet they alleged TH was shot with.

The fact that it was the only time she broke with protocol is significant and tells us just how much the police department 'wanted' a conviction.

It was the lasses DNA they found on the bullet like.

It isn't meaningless, as that was the only piece of DNA of her they had anywhere near Avery, and they were trying to say the fact the lab technician's DNA ended up on the bullet, and they had no idea how it got there, shows that other DNA could have ended up there.

Think its a key point personally
 
I felt so sorry for her.



Avery's sweat was found in the car, which the documentary left out.

Surely that could be planted as well? They had access to his trailer for 8 days and I think it'd be fairly easy to transfer sweat from used clothes/bedding?
Did you notice how many times the prosecution referred to SA as 'sweaty'? It was loads. And then they find DNA from his sweat on the car and the key.... It's almost as if they were trying to subliminally plant the link in everyone's mind. Sweaty Steve.
 
Just finished it last night, not sure if I missed it but is the lass even dead? Was there any tests on the bones that said yes this is the autotrader girl?
I thought that after watching that video she apparently made talking about how much she loves life and her family and talking about her death etc. That was just f***ing weird.

I find her brothers lack of reaction/emotion to them discussing the brutal rape/murder of his sister and how adamant he is about both Steve and Brendan really weird too.

But then you compare them to the avery family, his various fiancées and even the local cops, lawyers and judges and realise that's just backwater America for you.
 

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