HutchSafc
Striker
Just finished this.
Shocking but not surprising.
The yanks are nuts and throughout history have form for shit like this.
That cabbage of a kid going down just tops off the icing on the pretty shit cake.
f***ing hell man
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Just finished this.
Shocking but not surprising.
The yanks are nuts and throughout history have form for shit like this.
That cabbage of a kid going down just tops off the icing on the pretty shit cake.
Great series, watched the whole thing st the weekend.
Read this morning that one of the thjngs they didn't include in the series was that the police found handcuffs and leg irons in Steven's house. I don't believe the whole tied her to the bed thing though.
I'm not 100% convinced that he didn't do it mind but nor am I 100% convinced he did. For one, he had no real motive whereas some of his family are convicted stalkers, sex offenders, women bashers etc.
How that poor young lad got locked up is an absolute travesty and a disgrace.
Key - plantedHave you watched it? I think we know how it ended up there like.
Key - planted
Vehicle - moved by state trooper
Blood in vehicle - stolen from vial and planted by Lenk.
Clearly I've watched it. That's quite a lot of planting. It's the bones that interest me.
What's the alternative there? Where are they supposed to have been moved from and by who?
And the bullet with her DNA? Is that meant to have been contaminated in the lab?
If they found handcuffs etc surely they will have tested them for her DNA and used it against him if they could?
Or did they find those things and decide it would be a good story to fabricate for how she was killed, hence how they got the young'un to say just that when he was arrested months afterwards.
personally i thing steve shot her. outside and burned her. its more than likely.
but the whole trial is a disgrace. so many "ifs and buts" its shocking. how the retarded lad got locked up is the biggest travesty of it all. no evidence what so ever.
The young lad had an IQ of 70. I don't recall Steven being the same, although it wouldn't be surprising.Yes to all of it. There was no DNA or blood anywhere int he garage or her bedroom, or his trailer. The bloke has an IQ of 70, he has no capability of covering this up.
I am not sure how you can still be so cynical about the planting, its hardly a coincidence that James Lenk was at every single place when things were found
The Key was absolutely laughable quite frankly
I wouldn't be surprised if it was one of the other brothers mind. I was very clear that this bloke didn't do it mind. The phone calls recorded to his lass at the time he was supposed to be doing it was enough for me, no bloke with that IQ can pretend everything is just normal if he is speaking over a dead body.
The second one, they fed the story to the young lad. There was no DNA of her anywhere near Steven's stuff, only that bullet that magically appeared out of nowhere, and that was contaminated with other DNA
If they found handcuffs etc surely they will have tested them for her DNA and used it against him if they could?
Or did they find those things and decide it would be a good story to fabricate for how she was killed, hence how they got the young'un to say just that when he was arrested months afterwards.
The young lad had an IQ of 70. I don't recall Steven being the same, although it wouldn't be surprising.
If you're that convinced though, why haven't you addressed my questions on the bones and the bullet?
Are you suggesting that the police found the bones and the bullet elsewhere and moved them there?
Apparently they didn't even test the bed for DNA evidence. Even after the young lads expert made him draw the crime scene, and he drew chains, etc. which would presumably have damaged the bed when the lass was trying to escape.
Even the FBI expert they brought in was a f***ing clown. There were 6 different blood samples in the car, but he only tested 3. When asked if the other 3 could have shown different results, he said no. How is it possible to know without testing? Then there's the other lab technician who originally tested the blood samples, and admitted she contaminated the results.
Then there's the key, which miraculously turned up in his bedroom, after 3 previous searches had turned up nothing. Who found it? Officers from the sherrifs department who were being sued and who had been told not to be involved in the investigation.
Her ex boyfriend came across very strangely. Admitted seeing her on the day of her going missing, but couldn't say where or when it was he last saw her. Then her missing voicemails, which you could assume were left by someone she was meeting after she'd been to Avery's property. Someone accessed them (her brother admitted to that), but he denied deleting any, despite the defence showing that the number of voicemails on her phone could not have filled her mailbox.
Both of them. Although Steven seemed much brighter than his nephewNope that was Steven, said straight at the start.
The bullet magically appeared when James Lenk turned up, even though he was not needed. No offence but it doesn't sound like you watched it very closely, as I am just having to repeat stuff that was cleared up during the show
All those things are addressed by his defence lawyers in the programme, why do you need me to repeat what they said?
And then was granted permission to lead a search party of the Avery's property! Its just amazing!
And the first car they find is the missing car, what a coincidence!
Both of them. Although Steven seemed much brighter than his nephew
Brendan Dasseys IQ was circa 70. Perhaps you didn't watch it that closely.Nope that was Steven, said straight at the start.
The bullet magically appeared when James Lenk turned up, even though he was not needed. No offence but it doesn't sound like you watched it very closely, as I am just having to repeat stuff that was cleared up during the show
All those things are addressed by his defence lawyers in the programme, why do you need me to repeat what they said?
And then was granted permission to lead a search party of the Avery's property! Its just amazing!
And the first car they find is the missing car, what a coincidence!
Brendan Dasseys IQ was circa 70. Perhaps you didn't watch it that closely.
I'm not asking you to repeat what anyone said. I'm interested in your view on what happened.
This is now the third time I've asked you to explain the bones. You seem to be dodging it and actually becoming quite irritating in your responses with your manner. I'm attempting to have a debate and find your opinion and you're starting to act the tit.
you don't need to guess, they were both 70 give or take 1 or 2 points. It was in the programs.I'd guess his nephew has a lower IQ, was heartbreaking the stuff with him, found it hard to watch.
you don't need to guess, they were both 70 give or take 1 or 2 points. It was in the programs.
I'm still interested in what happened if one of the brothers did it.The bones were moved, they were on 2 other places! I am not dodging everything, I agree totally with what his defence lawyers said.
Its you that seems to have forgotten all that
steven's IQ was 70, it was in the first episode.
Don't me so sensitive man, not having ago at all.
I think the evidence was planted, they thought he did it, or suspected he might of, and it was 2 birds with one stone, get rid of the massive lawsuit they face.
It'll be one of his brothers who did it IMO.
A lof of their so called "evidence" shouldn't have even made it to court
And he was always going to be found guilty, the prosecutor and investigators held infinite press conferences before the trial telling everyone how he did it
I'm still interested in what happened if one of the brothers did it.
There was still no DNA found anywhere on the compound.
So did Steven say good bye to her then one of this brothers did what? Followed off site and managed to get her to pull over then killed her. Then burnt her. Then the police found the car and bullet and bones and moved it all back to the Avery compound. You'll understand that sounds far fetched.
I've heard people say the brother but no one has put forward a how it happened scenario.
I think they planted evidence, particularly the key. That to me is clear.It really isn't far fetched is it though, as I say it doesn't sound like you watched the programme, because that it was what it completely pointed at. I am not answering every detail about every evidence, you are basically wanting me to recreate the documentary on here!
I am not sure how anyone can watch that show and not think the police planted evidence!
It would take all day to search the scrapyard, but they found her car within15 minutes. Obviously a massive coincidence.
I think they planted evidence, particularly the key. That to me is clear.
I'm not asking you to tell me about the evidence that was produced. I'm asking you to paint me an alternative scenario. "The brother did it" needs a bit more explaining really.
You're convinced he didn't do it and almost convinced the brother did but you're unwilling to give an idea of how, where, etc....
I'm asking your opinion on what did happen and you just come back saying I mustn't have watched it. Which is a shame really because this was only ever meant to be an exchange of ideas but you've gone very defensive.