Making a Murderer (Netflix)


Just finished it.

Got to think the ex boyfriend knows more than he's letting on, saying he couldn't remember what time of day he last seen her.

But then avery himself has apparently said he believes it was his two brothers who did it.
 
Didn't Ruben admit he was guilty lately?? Or have I imagined that??

Fuckin quality tune by Dylan either way...

I hope you imagined that -last I heard he lived in Canada and worked with the 2 people who were instrumental in his freedom--- its more than a quality tune it takes me back to my youth (which is a long time ago)
 
of course he was totally innocent. i can't believe anyone could possibly think any different. them two detectives should go to jail for what they did to him in the first interview. they knew, even as 'prosecutors', that the lad was innocent. yet they blackmailed him into saying something that would put him in jail for 30 years. horrible scum of the human race. them two, Lenk, Coburn, the main prosecuting attorney, and the the original two defence attorneys. i think everyone else who testified against him genuinely believed he was guilty and warped their memories and opinions to suit - i can kind of understand that.


two worrying questions remain for me. one, are any of us truly 'free' ? if you knew something, or saw something, or happened across something, that could incriminate a person of power, then your pretty much fucked, and could potentially be killed or spend the rest of your life in jail for doing absolutely nothing wrong.

two, how many other times has this happened and been swept under the carpet? we, naturally, believe everything we read in the papers regarding high profile cases like this, and when 'facts' are being presented by government representatives, we tend to take it without question as fact. more so, have their been cases like this that didnt even make it into the media?

its disgusting, and harrowing.
It's sickening, I also hated the bit near the end where her brother was praising the 2 detectives
 
I hope you imagined that -last I heard he lived in Canada and worked with the 2 people who were instrumental in his freedom--- its more than a quality tune it takes me back to my youth (which is a long time ago)
I may be thinking of something else marra, I'll have to have a closer look. You're right though, When I was training for a marathon, the (nearly) 10 minutes of that tune came around a few times - brilliant song writing...
 
Cheers mate what's the jinx, just roughly? I've seen it mentioned on her but skipped straight past incase of spoilers
Weird, super-rich old guy gets implicated in a murder, which then starts to reveal other facets of his bizarre life, including dressing like a woman to hide from people and shaving his eyebrows off to 'look weird'. Oh, and dismembering a corpse. Very strange man.

It's the true story that the film 'All Good Things' is based on, which is directed by this filmmaker, who the weird old guy (Bob Durst) reached out to for an interview after seeing, and loving the film (that was accusing him of murder).
 
I cannot stand the poor lasses brother, what a smug twat, talking about how we all know the police are the good guys. Also, he was far too happy to talk to the press, lapping it up like a football manager in a post match interview. Felt ill watching the young lad go down, it's obvious to anyone with any hunanity that he was led by the two investigators to his confession.
 
Weird, super-rich old guy gets implicated in a murder, which then starts to reveal other facets of his bizarre life, including dressing like a woman to hide from people and shaving his eyebrows off to 'look weird'. Oh, and dismembering a corpse. Very strange man.

It's the true story that the film 'All Good Things' is based on, which is directed by this filmmaker, who the weird old guy (Bob Durst) reached out to for an interview after seeing, and loving the film (that was accusing him of murder).
Nice one thanks mate I'll watch this next

I cannot stand the poor lasses brother, what a smug twat, talking about how we all know the police are the good guys. Also, he was far too happy to talk to the press, lapping it up like a football manager in a post match interview. Felt ill watching the young lad go down, it's obvious to anyone with any hunanity that he was led by the two investigators to his confession.
You just knew the brother want budging in his opinion like. He was a smug twat.

Couldn't they have used the documentary footage to show how much he was pressurised. My heart sank when they didn't show the bit when he said to his mam "they got in my head" short sighted by his lawyer as well skipping over the end of the tape
 
Just finished this, haven't read any comments yet - my first thought is that this documentary MUST have been biased in the defendants' favour otherwise I don't understand how they were both sent down. There MUST have been compelling evidence presented by the prosecution that heavily implicated Stephen/Brendan that was edited out of the documentary. Going to do some further reading on this but I'm sure there's another side to the story that was not shown in the documentary.

One thing that stood out to me was the victim's bones being found on the Avery's property. As Stephen's lawyer said, if they found the bones of a murder victim in my back garden I'd be a worried man. Are we really suggesting that the police moved the bones of a murder victim and planted them there? Really?
 
Just finished this, haven't read any comments yet - my first thought is that this documentary MUST have been biased in the defendants' favour otherwise I don't understand how they were both sent down. There MUST have been compelling evidence presented by the prosecution that heavily implicated Stephen/Brendan that was edited out of the documentary. Going to do some further reading on this but I'm sure there's another side to the story that was not shown in the documentary.

One thing that stood out to me was the victim's bones being found on the Avery's property. As Stephen's lawyer said, if they found the bones of a murder victim in my back garden I'd be a worried man. Are we really suggesting that the police moved the bones of a murder victim and planted them there? Really?

The bones were in three different places....
 
Just finished this, haven't read any comments yet - my first thought is that this documentary MUST have been biased in the defendants' favour otherwise I don't understand how they were both sent down. There MUST have been compelling evidence presented by the prosecution that heavily implicated Stephen/Brendan that was edited out of the documentary. Going to do some further reading on this but I'm sure there's another side to the story that was not shown in the documentary.

One thing that stood out to me was the victim's bones being found on the Avery's property. As Stephen's lawyer said, if they found the bones of a murder victim in my back garden I'd be a worried man. Are we really suggesting that the police moved the bones of a murder victim and planted them there? Really?

Many, many years ago I went to a lecture by a forensic scientist which was fascinating. One of the main things I've always remembered was that he said if you want to kill someone and want to dispose of the body don't try and burn it. The heat you'll generate from a bonfire will only char the flesh, not burn it clean to the bone.

He went on to advise (and this was before the days of DNA) that you're best off weighting it down INA river/ lake as the body quickly becomes so bloated it would be unrecognisable - should you want to know
 
I cannot stand the poor lasses brother, what a smug twat, talking about how we all know the police are the good guys. Also, he was far too happy to talk to the press, lapping it up like a football manager in a post match interview. Felt ill watching the young lad go down, it's obvious to anyone with any hunanity that he was led by the two investigators to his confession.
The poor lad obviously isn't very smart, they've gave him 50 years in prison for saying what they told him to ffs
 
One thing I found bizarre (over and above all the others!) was how the judge hearing the appeal requests was the one who presided over the original trial. Surely there's a major conflict of interest here, is he really going to say yes I got it wrong? Surely another judge should be determining this?

I got hooked and watched the whole thing in a couple of sittings. I don't know if there was parts of the trial omitted to favour the defence in the film, but even if so I don't know how they could find beyond reasonable doubt in Stevens cases, and as for Brendan?!
 
One thing I found bizarre (over and above all the others!) was how the judge hearing the appeal requests was the one who presided over the original trial. Surely there's a major conflict of interest here, is he really going to say yes I got it wrong? Surely another judge should be determining this?

I got hooked and watched the whole thing in a couple of sittings. I don't know if there was parts of the trial omitted to favour the defence in the film, but even if so I don't know how they could find beyond reasonable doubt in Stevens cases, and as for Brendan?!

The appeal judge being the same judge did seem utterly ridiculous to me...

Yes I agree with the previous judge's decision...


Wtf?
 
The appeal judge being the same judge did seem utterly ridiculous to me...

Yes I agree with the previous judge's decision...


Wtf?

There was lots not shown in the series, which will have been down to time constraints, that must have been addressed in the trial. Eg. despite the lack of ETDA in the blood samples in the car, why was the blood sample from Steven's previous trial blatantly tampered with. How was the car key found not only on the 7th search but with only Stevens dna and none of Theresas, despite her using it daily for weeks/months/years. If she was killed in the garage why was no dna found, only Stevens in the floor cracks so it can't have been cleaned etc. etc.
I'd love to see the whole trial evidence and transcripts made public (as if that will ever happen)
 

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