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Finished this last night and it is sickening. Poor bastards. Part of me was still thinking that Avery was guilty regardless of all the obvious corruption, however the bloke just seems innocent to me. He's never done or said anything suspicious throughout the whole thing, and there is no way he could have hid all the other evidence, with all due respect, he doesn't seem clever enough. Yet he seems clever enough not to leave the car just lying around on his property after burning the body. It doesn't add up. It's shocking
The hardest part to come to terms with is that the authorities could, and did, do this. We are all nothing in reality, we don't have the freedom and liberty we are told we have.
I'm questioning everything they presented. I don't even think she was burned there. I didnbbelieve anything they said after the first couple of episodes.
Does anyone known if any sort of vigilante groups have caught up with Lenk, Coburn or the prosecutor? If I lived within driving distance id find it hard not to catch up with them on the street and give them hell
I'm no legal expert but wouldn't both cases have been thrown out of court at one of the first hurdles in this country???
I'm no legal expert but wouldn't both cases have been thrown out of court at one of the first hurdles in this country???
2 of the jurers were relatives of Manitowoc law enforcement, but the prosecution couldn't get them removed from the jury as they had already used their quota of jury substitutions (or whatever it's called). At the start of deliberations the jury hung at 7 not guilty, 3 guilty and 2 undecided. By the end of deliberations they delivered a guilty verdict. 2 of the jury have since come forward to say that they feared repercussions from the sheriffs department if they had maintained their not-guilty beliefs.
You can fully understand how they might be fearful of reprisal from that shonky sheriff's department though. The judge should have thrown it out before it got going, but they're all as bent as each other. Or really thick.Yeah, it actually boils down to the jury's verdict more than anything else. How on earth both juries came to the decisions that they did is unbelievable.
I understand that they were doing something against their will, but when it's someone's life, have they broken any laws, I wonder? Saying a man is guilty when they don't actually believe he is.
You can fully understand how they might be fearful of reprisal from that shonky sheriff's department though. The judge should have thrown it out before it got going, but they're all as bent as each other. Or really thick.
I found the show shocking and whilst watching it with the Mrs, I kept saying that they may not be as innocent as Netlfix are making out.
I do not think that there is any doubt that the cops were lying and fabricated a number of items of evidence. Off the back of the show, I have spent a bit of time reading lots of sites on internet about it.
I dont know how reliable they are but one of them stated evidence that was presented at the trials that wasnt shown on the Netflix show.
The main one was that Brendan said that he was with Steven when they hid the Rav4 and that Steven said he would remove a battery connector to stop the car being stolen. Stevens DNA was found under the bonnet of the Rav4. Was this true or was it planted?
Another site stated that Stevens previous crimes included dousing a live cat in petrol and throwing it on a bonfire and threatening a girlfriend with a gun.
A number of sites stated that they did not think that Steven and Brendan were innocent of the crimes but they shouldnt have been found guilty with the evidence that was presented at the trials. Some think the police may have planted evidence to try and ensure the convictions.
My own thoughts are that the Avery family is the kind of family that most towns or villages have. They may cause issues with neighbours, break a few laws and generally not be popular. However this does not mean they deserve what they have been through (twice). I felt heartbroken for Stevens mums and dads and I also feel for the victims family too.
the brother was a bit ''weird'' to me as well mind-- reminded me of Gerry McCann to a certain extent
They can and they did mate. The story takes an alarming turn rather quickly.Don't want to read the whole thread in case there are spoilers but is each show a different story?
Can't imagine being able to make 10 hours out of the first story (which wasn't even a murder!)
Don't want to read the whole thread in case there are spoilers but is each show a different story?
Can't imagine being able to make 10 hours out of the first story (which wasn't even a murder!)
anyone have any ideas why he didnt testify? was he advised not to?
that could have swayed the fence sitters.
if that were me, i would be chomping at the bit to get on the stand.
He was below average intelligence and the prosecution would have eaten him alive.
would the defense attorneys not have trained him for the questioning? i just think that to the layman, not defending himself was almost admitting guilt, and the defense attorneys should have known how it was going to come across and advised him to get up. i think his character would have come across well, because up to that point he had been described over and over in the media and in the court room as 'an evil rapist and killer'... as soon as he starts to talk the jury would have realised that he wasnt actually fitting into the character he had been described as.
i agree that the prosecution would have given him hell with their twisty questions, but i'm sure the defense could have prompted him correctly and lead their questioning correctly
i dont know what to believe anymore. i hate this planet sometimes
any actual links to watch this? tried kodi and it's not even on that