Maguire’s red overturned...


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Yet when we happened to be the smaller club in the premier league their mindset was apparently the complete opppsite to favour the big clubs.

Funny that!

Surely you can see the contradiction?

Maybe just all refs in every league just hate Sunderland and we just fucked,when we the small club we get nowt!

When we the big club we still get nowt!
I've already discussed with you that I went to a talk-in with Mark Clattenberg where he talked about "games going against the script" and "relief" in big games when he was able to give a pen to "return to script".
A pre-determined script is essentially a bias, which I hope you'd agree is essentially cheating. Whether that bias is for for certain teams, bigger teams, underdogs, home crowds, away crowds or like Probert on Saturday seemingly just to make himself the talking point at the of the game, it's clear that some referees don't judge every decision on merit which is not fair and not impartial (which referees should be)
You've suggested in the past that by the law of averages, decisions must even themselves out at the end of the season but you're essentially admitting that bias exists and excusing it. The only contradiction is from you.
When a single decision can cost points which in turn can potentially be the difference between a promotion spot, a championship or for some teams a relegation, and the enormous sums involved in today's game, it's time that technology was used to take away any potential for bias that certain individual referees have.
 
I've already discussed with you that I went to a talk-in with Mark Clattenberg where he talked about "games going against the script" and "relief" in big games when he was able to give a pen to "return to script".
A pre-determined script is essentially a bias, which I hope you'd agree is essentially cheating. Whether that bias is for for certain teams, bigger teams, underdogs, home crowds, away crowds or like Probert on Saturday seemingly just to make himself the talking point at the of the game, it's clear that some referees don't judge every decision on merit which is not fair and not impartial (which referees should be)
You've suggested in the past that by the law of averages, decisions must even themselves out at the end of the season but you're essentially admitting that bias exists and excusing it. The only contradiction is from you.
When a single decision can cost points which in turn can potentially be the difference between a promotion spot, a championship or for some teams a relegation, and the enormous sums involved in today's game, it's time that technology was used to take away any potential for bias that certain individual referees have.

Surely the script this year is huge club Sunderland get promoted from league one leaving good times and memories behind?
 
I've already discussed with you that I went to a talk-in with Mark Clattenberg where he talked about "games going against the script" and "relief" in big games when he was able to give a pen to "return to script".
A pre-determined script is essentially a bias, which I hope you'd agree is essentially cheating. Whether that bias is for for certain teams, bigger teams, underdogs, home crowds, away crowds or like Probert on Saturday seemingly just to make himself the talking point at the of the game, it's clear that some referees don't judge every decision on merit which is not fair and not impartial (which referees should be)
You've suggested in the past that by the law of averages, decisions must even themselves out at the end of the season but you're essentially admitting that bias exists and excusing it. The only contradiction is from you.
When a single decision can cost points which in turn can potentially be the difference between a promotion spot, a championship or for some teams a relegation, and the enormous sums involved in today's game, it's time that technology was used to take away any potential for bias that certain individual referees have.
Agree with your post until mention of technology, in the FA cup and league cup games the referee still made wrong calls despite it being in operation. People are going to be even more pissed off when they feel like things are going against their club, even under the jurisdiction of VAR.
 
I noticed how he strutted around wanting attention like an arrogant prima Donna. I really can't stand him and I hope he is prevented from refereeing any further games forvus this season.

Walking with the ball with their GK towards the corner for a restart as if was really somebody. Every decision was delayed and deliberate as he clearly liked being the centre of attention. Awful referee.
 
The linesmen in this division have no backbone at all.

They never stick by their decisions, even for throw ins it's the referee who gives it despite him being 15 yards away and the linesman being right there.

Awful. :lol:
The number of linesmen who wait for the referee to make any sort of decision then wave the flag to confirm is unbelievable. I often wonder what it is they do and why theyu are employed.
 
Gave a corner against us when the ball hit the bar direct from their cross without touching a Sunderland player.

He gave a goal kick. The ref gave the corner.

This shit happens all the time. This was my favourite one.

People just don't seem to listen. You can guarantee next time one of these instances occurs there will be someone saying it was definitely in because they could see grass.

Reading that thread now, can't decide if I'm glad or gutted I missed it at the time.
 
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Read the post I quoted you moron.
Are you retarded (genuine question)?

The current form of Maguire and Gooch has absolutely nothing to do with the decision to overturn a red card.

So you think the decision hadn't been overturned if Maguire and Gooch had been in superb form?
 
Surely the script this year is huge club Sunderland get promoted from league one leaving good times and memories behind?
I'm not suggesting referees get together and agree on how the season will pan out.
I'm saying that in individual games, certain referees expose their own personal bias, despite being in a position that requires impartiality.
 
I started a line about that but deleted it, was going to say the referees further up are used to the "big" teams so arent overawed....thats when their bias and incompetence can shine through ;)

You cant argue we've had more than our fair share of shite thrown at us over the last few years?

That will always happen mate as I said for years and all the evidence backs me up imo. Mistakes will always happen because human eye alone is not enough to get decisions right in this day and age and VAR is needed.

Tbf mate I honestly think all supporters think their team always gets the worst decisions because they biased ( understanbly soo) therefore in most cases think the decisions gone against them are worse than they actually are.

All fans of all clubs will say what you just said they all can’t be right.

I've already discussed with you that I went to a talk-in with Mark Clattenberg where he talked about "games going against the script" and "relief" in big games when he was able to give a pen to "return to script".
A pre-determined script is essentially a bias, which I hope you'd agree is essentially cheating. Whether that bias is for for certain teams, bigger teams, underdogs, home crowds, away crowds or like Probert on Saturday seemingly just to make himself the talking point at the of the game, it's clear that some referees don't judge every decision on merit which is not fair and not impartial (which referees should be)
You've suggested in the past that by the law of averages, decisions must even themselves out at the end of the season but you're essentially admitting that bias exists and excusing it. The only contradiction is from you.
When a single decision can cost points which in turn can potentially be the difference between a promotion spot, a championship or for some teams a relegation, and the enormous sums involved in today's game, it's time that technology was used to take away any potential for bias that certain individual referees have.

Technology should be used fully agree with that, as agree with you fully too much riding on one bloke with just his human eye

I believe refs go out and just give what they see.

I don’t ageee and have not admitted or excused bias, not sure where you have got that from.

What I do find incredible is that everyone involved in football teams cheats in some way, whether it’s players diving, or feigning injury, players appealing for corners throw ins when they know it’s not theirs,whether it’s managers encouraging that, through to fans screaming a refs for a decision whether they think right or not.

Yet in the middle of that when a ref makes a mistake or has the inevitable poor game, these people have the bare faced cheek to call the ref a cheat!

Talk about double standards!

This

Why should league 2 have to suffer? In most places of employment if you're shit at your job you get sacked.

**** should be nowhere near a footy pitch.

They is not another job in the world where you have the same tools you had 100 years ago.

It’s a recipe for mistakes, if some were really good and some really bad could see that point.

Problem if most refs are bad and the answer if people think about is obvious?

Agree with your post until mention of technology, in the FA cup and league cup games the referee still made wrong calls despite it being in operation. People are going to be even more pissed off when they feel like things are going against their club, even under the jurisdiction of VAR.

No doubt this the ‘script’ that @LineMonkey is talking about will be written into VAR and the big clubs will get all them decisions as well.

Until it comes down to the lower leagues that the ‘script’ will be to stand up to big clubs.

Then again no it wouldn’t the ‘script’ will be just written to say let’s just fuck Sunderland over what ever league there in!

Because apparently refs are biased and go by the script but never never is the script in Sunderland’s favour
 
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Are you retarded (genuine question)?

The current form of Maguire and Gooch has absolutely nothing to do with the decision to overturn a red card.

So you think the decision hadn't been overturned if Maguire and Gooch had been in superb form?
:lol: Read the post I quoted you f***ing dipstick
 
I'm not suggesting referees get together and agree on how the season will pan out.
I'm saying that in individual games, certain referees expose their own personal bias, despite being in a position that requires impartiality.

I agree. But I think the script this year is we win. I'm not saying the fa is colluding, I just think the refs will have which team is expected to win nd it is us.
 
Haven’t read the whole thread so apologies if seb, but having had so many reds and now TWO overturns of official’s decisions it does look like there’s a bit of a bias by refs against us? Evening up our perceived advantage in this division perhaps?
 
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