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He did no more than ok

Doncaster away he was no better than honeyman has been

You’re just making stuff up now
No I'm giving you my opinion. I'm making nothing up. Doncaster away Honeyman played well. I've never said otherwise. O'Nien also played well when he came on.

Please stop with the silly statements about making things up.
 
We know Honeyman isn't though.

We do indeed. The problem for Honeyman is that he's playing in one of the most important positions on the pitch and if you're not up to it, it will show. You want your best footballers playing where he is, and he isn't our best footballer.

I'm also not sure O'Nien is, but none of us really know until he gets an extended run of games there. O'Nien has shown a number of qualities playing at right back, qualities that would be suited to a more traditional number 8 box to box player, rather than a creative number 10.

That doesn't mean he can't play there, again it just means we don't know at the moment. This debate sort of reminds me of the 'players getting better whilst they're injured' thing that crops up every now and again. Only rather being injured, this particular player is playing in a different position.
 
We do indeed. The problem for Honeyman is that he's playing in one of the most important positions on the pitch and if you're not up to it, it will show. You want your best footballers playing where he is, and he isn't our best footballer.

I'm also not sure O'Nien is, but none of us really know until he gets an extended run of games there. O'Nien has shown a number of qualities playing at right back, qualities that would be suited to a more traditional number 8 box to box player, rather than a creative number 10.

That doesn't mean he can't play there, again it just means we don't know at the moment. This debate sort of reminds me of the 'players getting better whilst they're injured' thing that crops up every now and again. Only rather being injured, this particular player is playing in a different position.

Good summary that.
 
We do indeed. The problem for Honeyman is that he's playing in one of the most important positions on the pitch and if you're not up to it, it will show. You want your best footballers playing where he is, and he isn't our best footballer.

I'm also not sure O'Nien is, but none of us really know until he gets an extended run of games there. O'Nien has shown a number of qualities playing at right back, qualities that would be suited to a more traditional number 8 box to box player, rather than a creative number 10.

That doesn't mean he can't play there, again it just means we don't know at the moment. This debate sort of reminds me of the 'players getting better whilst they're injured' thing that crops up every now and again. Only rather being injured, this particular player is playing in a different position.
I don't know if O'Nien will be good there, I'd like to see if he can do it though
 
I would love to see O9 pushed further forward to see what he can do. Technically good and a careful passer of the ball.

That said, I can’t decide if it is a good time to give it a go, or whether tinkering with play offs looming, would be unsettling....If I was forced to decide, I would give it a go.

I don't think that's been established. It's easier playing right back or right wing in certain aspects, as you don't need to have a 360 degree view of what's going on around you, both offensively and defensively. You also generally have more time and space as there are fewer opposition players around you. This makes aspects like passing more straightforward in general, as there's much less to think about.

You have to think and act quicker in central midfield. We don't know if O'Nien can do this yet.

I don't know if O'Nien will be good there, I'd like to see if he can do it though

Yeah by all means, me too. We probably won't find out this season though, as it'll take a number of games to establish whether he's up to it.
 
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No I'm giving you my opinion. I'm making nothing up. Doncaster away Honeyman played well. I've never said otherwise. O'Nien also played well when he came on.

Please stop with the silly statements about making things up.

You can’t base an opinion if someone based on 1 sub appearance 6 months ago being my point

If you want to give him ago fair enough, not even against it but suggestions he’s better than honeyman are based on nout
 
He didn't do well last season either. He was poor then as well.

Yes I know he scored a few goals
Well he would do less damage there then.

The no 10 has to support the striker and have a forward instinct. Honeyman is all over the pitch but never where he needs to be. Playing with 1 isolated striker has been abysmal to watch this season and a massive contributing factor to 20 draws which for Sunerland in Div 3 is way not good enough.

I would much rather we play with a sensible 442 with Honeyman on the right side of midfield rather than Ross's kamikaze 442 formation which hasnt and will never work. However, if he has to persevere with 451 we need a more natural attacking player like 09 in that role.
 
I don't think that's been established. It's easier playing right back or right wing in certain aspects, as you don't need to have a 360 degree view of what's going on around you, both offensively and defensively. You also generally have more time and space as there are fewer opposition players around you. This makes aspects like passing more straightforward in general, as there's much less to think about.

You have to think and act quicker in central midfield. We don't know if O'Nien can do this yet.

Fair comment - it is his composure I like - rarely gives the ball away and always looks to play on the front foot when he can. He is the only one of our defenders who doesn’t make me nervous when he has the ball. If he can translate the way he plays to the midfield role, we will have a real asset on our hands imo.
 
You can’t base an opinion if someone based on 1 sub appearance 6 months ago being my point

If you want to give him ago fair enough, not even against it but suggestions he’s better than honeyman are based on nout
It's based on Honeyman being poor and my belief that O'Nien can do better in that position. If you don't agree that's fine but please stop telling me what I can and can't be doing. Thanks. I've also gave you 3 occasions when I think he's done well. Why do you keep mentioning one?
 
09 should have been played in the no 10 role months a go.

Honeyman for all his effort is not and never will be a no 10. Play him on the right - he did well there last season.

What qualities have you seen from O'Nien to suggest he'd be a good number 10? One thing that would surely go in his favour is his off the ball movement. I'm not yet convinced about him technically but I have no doubt that he'd make runs which forced and dragged the opposition defence around, freeing up space for other players in the process.

Honeyman's alright at that though, and we don't just want Honeyman mk2.
 
Based on what?????

He’s only ever played decent at right back man
Because he has had a run in the side at fullback. If he had a run in the side in his best position I think he would have grown in the role like he has at fullback.

As I stated above I dont think Honeyman is a no10 as he hasnt an attacking instinct imho. If we are to stick with 451 - 09, McGeady or McGuire has to play there.
 
Well he would do less damage there then.

The no 10 has to support the striker and have a forward instinct. Honeyman is all over the pitch but never where he needs to be. Playing with 1 isolated striker has been abysmal to watch this season and a massive contributing factor to 20 draws which for Sunerland in Div 3 is way not good enough.

I would much rather we play with a sensible 442 with Honeyman on the right side of midfield rather than Ross's kamikaze 442 formation which hasnt and will never work. However, if he has to persevere with 451 we need a more natural attacking player like 09 in that role.
We have better right midfielders though imo. Gooch isn't great but I'd prefer him there and imo Morgan is better than both
 
What qualities have you seen from O'Nien to suggest he'd be a good number 10? One thing that would surely go in his favour is his off the ball movement. I'm not yet convinced about him technically but I have no doubt that he'd make runs which forced and dragged the opposition defence around, freeing up space for other players in the process.

Honeyman's alright at that though, and we don't just want Honeyman mk2.
You have answered your question mate :)

Im not having a go at Honeyman as I think he should be in the team. Just not in the no10 role. Imho Honeyman is all over the pitch bu not in the penalty box or next to the striker when we are attacking....a major contributing factor to our dire football and 20 draws this season. 1 isolated strike has been horrible to watch.
 
Because he has had a run in the side at fullback. If he had a run in the side in his best position I think he would have grown in the role like he has at fullback.

As I stated above I dont think Honeyman is a no10 as he hasnt an attacking instinct imho. If we are to stick with 451 - 09, McGeady or McGuire has to play there.

Maguire aye, you’re just guessing about O’nien though
 
Fair comment - it is his composure I like - rarely gives the ball away and always looks to play on the front foot when he can. He is the only one of our defenders who doesn’t make me nervous when he has the ball. If he can translate the way he plays to the midfield role, we will have a real asset on our hands imo.

Again though, composure out wide is much easier than composure in a packed centre. It's a bit of a cliché but people often talk about the first yard being in your head, and that's where your composure comes from; you make yourself some space which allows you to be composed. If you don't have that nous, you could be a great technical footballer, but don't get the time because you haven't got the football brain.

Bit of a cliched waffle I know.
 
We have better right midfielders though imo. Gooch isn't great but I'd prefer him there and imo Morgan is better than both
I take your point but for a bit of balance a more natural defender may have been better there when we have had McGeady on the left. When we had a good team in the premier league central midfielders like Hutch played out right and then Schwarz on the left with more attacking players in the opposite positions. It worked.

For me it has been crazy this season to play with two out and out wingers and only one striker in the box. Even if the wingers beat their man its going to be have to be a world class cross to pick out the 1 striker. Our tactics have been shocking.
 
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He has been poor but imo still a better right sided player than Honeyman who has also been poor. Morgan is better than them both

Not at the minute he isn’t, he’s a nice lad but he’s been by far our worst player in 2019 can’t be selected. Not sure what we do with him next year like either
 
You have answered your question mate :)

Im not having a go at Honeyman as I think he should be in the team. Just not in the no10 role. Imho Honeyman is all over the pitch bu not in the penalty box or next to the striker when we are attacking....a major contributing factor to our dire football and 20 draws this season. 1 isolated strike has been horrible to watch.

;)

My fear then would be that O'Nien does an excellent job but it goes unnoticed and people end up moaning about him for 'doing nothing'.

There's a blind spot when it comes to central midfielders in that people often only notice what a player does on the ball. That's only a third of the job man. What he does when the opposition have the ball is important, as is what he does off the ball when we're in possession.

As for Honeyman, I like him being here but don't really know where he fits. A back up midfielder who can do a job across the park, if we're being honest (although that shouldn't be underestimated).
 
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