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George doesn't deserve his place on current form. I'd normally say it's a bit late in the day to try this experiment but I don't see what we have to lose. It's O'Nien's position and he was very good there for Wycombe by all accounts. Played well the one time I've seen him in the Check a trade also.
I don't think he'll be worse than Honeyman in that position but I'd like to see if he'd be better. Honeymans form has been poor recently
 
I don't think he'll be worse than Honeyman in that position but I'd like to see if he'd be better. Honeymans form has been poor recently
He most likely will be. Judging him on his extremely limited early season/signing form in midfield would be silly really. George has had enough time to impose himself on games recently and has failed to do so. I probably defend him more than most as well tbh.
 
Don't think ONien has been as good as made out at RB. He's had some good games but positionally he is poor and tends to look like a midfielder playing RB more often than not. I'd play Matthews these last two games and see how he gets on. If he does well then he should play.

Drop ONien and use him as an attacking sub where he has a habit of popping up with a goal. Wouldn't mind him being given a run in midfield but I don't think it's the time to do that now.
 
He has imho been superb at full back and all credit to JR for seeing his potential at playing there.

But here is my issue.......09 has a mental amount of energy, easily as much as Honeyman........09 however is clearly a much better footballer than Honeyman.

We are now in a position when we need to go hell for leather and create and score goals in our last 2 games

Given we have little to lose by trying something different then surely we have to give 09 an opportunity to show what he can do in his natural role in that attacking midfield.

But then who do we not play? If we are gonna play 5 in midfield which I suggest is our best formation then we probs need to go something like

Mclaughlin

Matthews
Flanagan
Ozturk
Oviedo (Hume)


McGeady
Cattermole
Leadbitter
McGuire
09

Wyke


In a

4-2-3-1 formation

Catts and Leadbitter sitting

McGeady, O9 and McGuire in a 3 behind Wyke

The three are fluid and interchangable and would cause absolute havoc playing off Wyke.

Decent shout
 
I don’t think O’Nien would suit the traditional number 10 role as his game isn’t really about being creative or providing a touch of class - he’s a hard worker and can make some great driving runs, but someone like Maguire would be better suited in the formation we play.

That said, if it’s a choice between him and Honeyman then I’d give O’Nien a go every day of the week. We already know Honeyman is not good enough to play there, so it’s worth a go trying someone else in that position.
 
Play a very attacking line up and keep 2 clean sheets?
Your plan is Alice in Wonderland meets Hans Christian Anderson and when it turns into Halloween XX how do we get the players up for the play offs?
How many games away from home have we won by 3 clear goals and how many times have Fleetwood and Southend lost at home by 3 clear goals? That is before asking Barnsley to lose a game at Bristol Rovers, who have nothing on the game.

We don't have to keep clean sheets, 4-1 is just as good as 3-0.

It's a 100-1 or more but no less likely than when Connor Wickham started scoring for fun and we beat Chelsea and drew with Man City away.

Southend under Chris Powell were regularly getting thumped home and away. Both Barnsley and Donny beat them 3-0. Barnsley also beat Fleetwood 4-2. Only 1 less goal than that is required.

Bradford bottom and already relegated beat a Scunthorpe side desperate for points away from home on Saturday. They were winning 3-0 after 15 minutes.

Nobody is saying it's probable. However, it isn't impossible either. It would be foolish in the extreme to give up without even trying.
 
09 however is clearly a much better footballer than Honeyman.

Is he? I don't think he's played enough in central midfield for anyone to say that.
You can't compare a Right Back to a Central Midfielder as it's a completely different job requiring a completely different skill set.
The only time you can make a comparison is after O'Nien has played 15-20 games in midfield
 
:lol: jesus wept, the bit on bold, no its not its your opinion

And you were a regular at Wycombe were you?

what an absolute moronic post and straight on the name calling again, no surprise coming from you.




Apparently its a "fact" that O'Nien is a better player

Not sure how that works like



So based on 2 2nd half sub appearances 6 months ago he is a better player

You are just guessing, he is been decent at rght back, thats it.
It's an opinion, just like yours is. ONien is a better tackler, passer and shooter plus he has more technical ability and just as much energy. Calling out people for name calling lol

Piffle.

People are just biased towards 09 and against Honeyman because 09 wasn't here last season and Honeyman was.

Honeyman has been playing very well recently but every week folks still slag him off and refuse to give him credit where it's due.

09 has a great attitude but he's very raw still. Runs like Watmore with his head down, can't take on a player, always has a howler in him and occasionally when he gets frustrated he looks like he's trying to get himself sent off.

I really like the kid but he's still got a way to go before he's as good as Honeyman.
f***ing hell are you on a wind-up? :eek::lol::lol::lol:
 
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Playing in the hole you have to have great peripheral vision to make an impact. McGeady is probably our only player who can do this, but he is very effective wide. Maguire ain't too bad at it. Honeyman is not a creator.
That would be my worry. I remember a similar clamour for Gardner to play No.10 and it turned out his peripheral was the worst I've ever seen in a professional footballer
 
We don't have to keep clean sheets, 4-1 is just as good as 3-0.

It's a 100-1 or more but no less likely than when Connor Wickham started scoring for fun and we beat Chelsea and drew with Man City away.

Southend under Chris Powell were regularly getting thumped home and away. Both Barnsley and Donny beat them 3-0. Barnsley also beat Fleetwood 4-2. Only 1 less goal than that is what is required.

Bradford bottom and already relegated beat a Scunthorpe side desperate for points away from home on Saturday. They were winning 3-0 after 15 minutes.

Nobody is saying it's probable. However, it isn't impossible either. It would be foolish in the extreme to give up without even trying.
So the answer to my question remains unanswered. Even bookmakers, not known for their generosity would give you Leicester City type odds for automatic promotion.
Busting guts to attempt the impossible to the detriment of the realistic (winning the play offs) is foolish imho.
Damn it just checked and 100-1 the best you can get.
 
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He has imho been superb at full back and all credit to JR for seeing his potential at playing there.

But here is my issue.......09 has a mental amount of energy, easily as much as Honeyman........09 however is clearly a much better footballer than Honeyman.

We are now in a position when we need to go hell for leather and create and score goals in our last 2 games

Given we have little to lose by trying something different then surely we have to give 09 an opportunity to show what he can do in his natural role in that attacking midfield.

But then who do we not play? If we are gonna play 5 in midfield which I suggest is our best formation then we probs need to go something like

Mclaughlin

Matthews
Flanagan
Ozturk
Oviedo (Hume)


McGeady
Cattermole
Leadbitter
McGuire
09

Wyke


In a

4-2-3-1 formation

Catts and Leadbitter sitting

McGeady, O9 and McGuire in a 3 behind Wyke

The three are fluid and interchangable and would cause absolute havoc playing off Wyke.
McGeady won't play is my prediction.
 
He has imho been superb at full back and all credit to JR for seeing his potential at playing there.

But here is my issue.......09 has a mental amount of energy, easily as much as Honeyman........09 however is clearly a much better footballer than Honeyman.

We are now in a position when we need to go hell for leather and create and score goals in our last 2 games

Given we have little to lose by trying something different then surely we have to give 09 an opportunity to show what he can do in his natural role in that attacking midfield.

But then who do we not play? If we are gonna play 5 in midfield which I suggest is our best formation then we probs need to go something like

Mclaughlin

Matthews
Flanagan
Ozturk
Oviedo (Hume)


McGeady
Cattermole
Leadbitter
McGuire
09

Wyke


In a

4-2-3-1 formation

Catts and Leadbitter sitting

McGeady, O9 and McGuire in a 3 behind Wyke

The three are fluid and interchangable and would cause absolute havoc playing off Wyke.

He's not at all.

I think you are probably right to think about O'Nein in there if you want to play Catts and Leadbitter. O'Nein is the only one who has the energy comparable to Honeyman. But from what I've seen from O'Nein in midfield this year, he certainly isn't a significant improvement on Honeyman in terms of quality, creativity and goal threat. In fact, I personally would be surprised if he is any sort of improvement whatsoever. Certainly, couldn't say it with the certitude you do.

The clearer solution is Maguire as an AM and you probably have to sacrifice Leabitter for that and play Power, who has more legs, alongside Cattermole.

O'Nein in midfield maybe worth a look, given these two games are basically dead rubbers mind, I'll give you that. Just don't expect miracles.

Playing in the hole you have to have great peripheral vision to make an impact. McGeady is probably our only player who can do this, but he is very effective wide. Maguire ain't too bad at it. Honeyman is not a creator.

The shout for O9 is understandable, but at right full back you generally have no one behind you and no one to your right. Everything is front of you and you've got time and space. Its been impressive that he has shown he can learn quickly in terms of positional sense when the ball is on the other side of the pitch , and when to bomb on and go forwards.

However, to start playing in the hole and to hit the ground running, might be not as easy as having a player with endless energy in that role. I'm not against it, but I'm sure Ross has looked at him in training. Most of O9's cameo's in midfield were not taht impressive at first, then he came on and ran around a lot in the latter stages, closing down the opponent. He may develop his ability and composure, but I'm not sure if now is the time for him go central.

Early season I spoke to Gareth Ainsworth in Blackpool before Wycombe played Fleetwod. His take on O9 was that he had a great attitude, very energetic, but he was a rat in midfield and lacked composure to be a play maker. He did seem quite anxious on the ball at times, when he played that role. Like Honeyman, he may be more suited to a deeper role, but we have Cattermole, Power and McGeoch. Honeyman did a great job in the last 20 mins at Doncaster away, when Cattermole went off. Prior to that, he just ran around like a headless chicken off the front, without hardly getting a kick.

Great post, completely agree.

It's not a ludicrous opinion. Honeyman is pretty poor. How long do we persist with Honeyman just running around doing next to nothing?

Tbf, the certitude with which the OP says it is a bit much. He's not clearly a better footballer at all - O'Nein has been poor imo in midfield too.
 
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He played alright there vs City 23s then hasn't played there at all since.

I think it's worth a go but also think he's more protected out wide as his touch isn't very good & he needs more time on the ball. I'd literally try anyone that isn't Honeyman though
His touch isn't very good? WTF have you been watching?
 
He's not at all.

I think you are probably right to think about O'Nein in there if you want to play Catts and Leadbitter. O'Nein is the only one who has the energy comparable to Honeyman. But from what I've seen from O'Nein in midfield this year, he certainly isn't a significant improvement on Honeyman in terms of quality, creativity and goal threat. In fact, I personally would be surprised if he is any sort of improvement whatsoever. Certainly, couldn't say it with the certitude you do.

The clearer solution is Maguire as an AM and you probably have to sacrifice Leabitter for that and play Power, who has more legs, alongside Cattermole.

O'Nein in midfield maybe worth a look, given these two games are basically dead rubbers mind, I'll give you that. Just don't expect miracles.



Great post, completely agree.



Tbf, the certitude with which the OP says it is a bit much. He's not clearly a better footballer at all - O'Nein has been poor imo in midfield too.
Started off poor then picked up. He was getting praise for his performances from the bench {playing in midfield}

We're trying to find an answer to the problen No. 10 role. O'Nien might be the answer, Maguire might be. It's becoming very clear Honeyman isn't
 
O'Nien should have been played further forward weeks ago. Not necessarily in the number 10 role but in a midfield position as his strengths are his energy and ability to arrive late from midfield. If you look at his Wycombe highlights, most of his goals come from arriving on/from the edge of the box, and technically he's decent.

Honeyman hasn't been offering enough and even going back to games such as Walsall, Barnsley and Shrewsbury before Christmas, O'Nien was making an impact off the bench in his natural position. It is only stubbornness from Ross that has seen Honeyman retain his place, and O'Nien not moved.
Ross made a rod for his own back when he made Honeyman captain which was clearly just a piece of PR that backfired.
 
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