Lost Girls Of Panama


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I don't really see too much mystery with this one tbh. girls get lost, hungry and thirsty, may have fallen, may have drank river water which would make them ill. died, flood season comes and moves things around and breaks up decaying bodies.

Much like the elevator footage is all that gives the Elisa Lam story interest, the photos on their camera add an element of something unusual and tug on the heartstrings as you are seeing moments before they die, and we know what is about to happen, and they didn't

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honestly like missing people etc I read hours of it, watch all sorts. This is not a mysterious one

it’s simply the photos why it ended up so famous
 
Perhaps one of them found themselves in position like that dude who got trapped between rocks did (who had to chop his hand off iirc). Maybe she slipped, rocks fell off and trapped her foot (and she wasn't able to move the massive boulder etc?). She may have freed herself, dragged her body as far as she could then succumbed to blood loss / the elements or both.

Possibly, but I imagine 2 lasses might lack the strength to remove a foot cleanly, especially if they were weak. They'd more likely have to hack it a few times.
 
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honestly like missing people etc I read hours of it, watch all sorts. This is not a mysterious one

it’s simply the photos why it ended up so famous

Yep. people ask all sorts of odd questions in these kind of cases, just to make out something is unusual

'what about the huge amount of photos they took between 1am and 4am while lost?!'
oh you mean why did they use a devise over and over that flashes light when they were lost in the dark trying to get peoples attention? :rolleyes:
 
Yep. people ask all sorts of odd questions in these kind of cases, just to make out something is unusual

'what about the huge amount of photos they took between 1am and 4am while lost?!'
oh you mean why did they use a devise over and over that flashes light when they were lost in the dark trying to get peoples attention? :rolleyes:

I was really sceptical of foul play in this because it’s the archetypal horror film. Two female students go missing in a South America jungle and you just expect people to look for mystery when it is not there. I was sceptical but a few things are just a scientific/technological impossibility that they just got lost or had an accident.

There are some things that are a conspiracy theorists dream. Even if you believe the ridiculous coincidence that their bones just happened to be found with other, as yet Unidentified, individuals or the suspicious deaths of the taxi driver and last 2 lads they were seen with within a year. There are 3 things the experts say just make it impossible it was an accident.

The backpack. There were official photos of it taken just after it was found and it was in great condition and all electronics inside undamaged. The official story is it was found away from the girls as it had been washed away in the rocky river. It was a cheap nylon rucksack that supposedly didn’t sink or soak and wreck what was inside. Even if you believe they for some reason discarded it at some point. Experts say nothing found after 10 weeks in the jungle looks like that. It was either with them whilst they were kept somewhere or it was kept somewhere and planted.

Kremers bones. The 2 girls were found together but her remains were fully decomposed and the bones had been bleached after only a couple of months from when they had been missing. It’s a scientific impossibility for nature to decompose a body that fast and the sun to naturally bleach bones. It could only have happened with chemical agents and coincidentally unexplained phosphorus was on the bones.

But arguably most ridiculous of all was what the experts call photo 509. There were 508 photos on the camera looking normal. Last one taken a couple of hours before something went wrong and the phone records showed they called emergency numbers. Next were the spooky night photos 8 days later. One photo was missing and had been deleted. The travel channel did a documentary and tested with the same camera and SIM card (As other researchers have) and it was impossible to delete the photo on the camera only and make it irretrievable. That could only happen by plugging it in a computer and deleting it or formatting the sim on a computer. The Dutch police experts couldn’t restore it as it was permanently deleted. If the camera had been with them all the time and no foul play how? It’s impossible. They had no computer. Where the photo is in the sequence makes it highly likely it showed something incriminating.

There is no scientific or technological answer to the above even ignoring the conspiracies.

Worth noting even Panama originally classed it homicide. The final report they only gave a summary giving no definitive answer.

As mentioned above I think there is enough scientific/technology proof that it wasn’t an accident. But the AI enhanced version of that photo looks very weird and freaky.

Looks like she is under some kind of man made structure or trap. Possibly bleeding from the mouth onto her leg and her arms don’t look natural. Like they are tied behind her back
 
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There is no scientific or technological answer to the above even ignoring the conspiracies.

Worth noting even Panama originally classed it homicide. The final report they only gave a summary giving no definitive answer.


As mentioned above I think there is enough scientific/technology proof that it wasn’t an accident. But the AI enhanced version of that photo looks very weird and freaky.

Looks like she is under some kind of man made structure or trap. Possibly bleeding from the mouth onto her leg and her arms don’t look natural. Like they are tied behind her back
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Her face looks weird, like it's swollen. And it does look like her arms are tied, if not that's an uncomfortable looking stance.
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[QUOTE="MonkeyLove,

There is no scientific or technological answer to the above even ignoring the conspiracies.

Worth noting even Panama originally classed it homicide. The final report they only gave a summary giving no definitive answer.


As mentioned above I think there is enough scientific/technology proof that it wasn’t an accident. But the AI enhanced version of that photo looks very weird and freaky.

Looks like she is under some kind of man made structure or trap. Possibly bleeding from the mouth onto her leg and her arms don’t look natural. Like they are tied behind her back

Her face looks weird, like it's swollen. And it does look like her arms are tied, if not that's an uncomfortable looking stance.
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It does look swollen and possibly bleeding.

Could be the light but as mentioned anyway the experts said there were a few things unexplainable in an accident
 
Her face looks weird, like it's swollen. And it does look like her arms are tied, if not that's an uncomfortable looking stance.
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It does look swollen and possibly bleeding.

Could be the light but as mentioned anyway the experts said there were a few things unexplainable in an accident
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Photo just seems odd, even more so knowing that something happened.
 
It does look swollen and possibly bleeding.

Could be the light but as mentioned anyway the experts said there were a few things unexplainable in an accident

Photo just seems odd, even more so knowing that something happened.
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Yep tried calling emergency services only a couple of hours after that was taken so things obviously went South fast
 

bit late to this topic on this forum (I had taken a look at it back in 2014 when story broke in NL), but those behind that imperfectplan website posted another update about a week after your post on here... about the photos! ... they put a list with data/time stamps together of all the photos (camera and from their 2 phones) from the day or date of disappearance back in 2014... they claim to have had access to official police reports (from 2014), and have been implying in their summary or report that one or both of these girls can be seen on at least one of the phone photos taken at same location... which then makes all photos genuine, etc.

their update from 24th Feb 2021...


But there is a catch here... while they maintain that these photos are genuine, they can or will not provide the actual proof?! - Nobody can say with 100% certainty that these photos are even genuine?... some even suspect that the photos taken at top of mirador where taken by somebody else using the girls camera/phones and that with use of a computer the images of both girls were added at a later date... let that sink in? ;)

a question raised on that imperfectplan website on 7th May still remains unanswered;
"... I had hoped that at least one of the phone photos would have shown one or both of the girls? (This would help make camera photos genuine)

Please see my previous post/observation last month when it was just about the camera photos: it actually comes across now like somebody could have orchestrated a presentation of camera data to show a particular route… they (the photos) were taken to present and prove that a certain route was taken on a certain day/time...."

IMO it wasn't a case of lost or killed... more likely a combo of both in that they set out with good intentions, something went wrong after meeting wrong person, then murdered.
It was then AFTER the reward was announced a while later that the rucksack (with camera/phones) was discovered, and to date only body parts found where no actual cause of death can ever be established.
Then the added coincidence that all witnesses or people seen with them in lead up to their disappearance all died under dubious circs?
One thing is for sure, it wasn't a simple case of just getting lost in a section of forest that was nowhere near any description of being an actual jungle!
 

actually, that Dutch reporter Peter de Vries was the one gunned down last night in central Amsterdam!! :eek:

Peter R de Vries: Dutch crime journalist wounded in Amsterdam shooting


Nothing to do with this case (2 Dutch girls who vanished in Panama back in 2014) ... but being reported links to one of the other cases he has commented on recently relating to trial of Dutch/Moroccan drugs cartel boss Ridouan Taghi

The suspects involved in shooting believed to be connected to Taghi... and that whole cartel also involves crime bosses in Italy, Chile and Peru, etc who have been flooding European market... and they in turn have strong links to their Irish/Dublin wing led by that boxing promoter Daniel Kinahan, who in turn operates over in Spain.
In other words, one gigantic mess!!
 
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