Lockdown behind drop in COVID cases and deaths- not vaccinations



The worrying thing is the images of all the under 50s who haven't had their vaccine yet, were probably the ones creating the big crowds at shops, restaurants, bars etc and as witnesses on BBC articles said that very few people were maintaining social distancing, no mask wearing and basically didn't have a care in the world.

I'm living in Northern Spain so trust me, I've seen the effects of what happens when you reopen things and the younger generations have no consideration for others which is why cases have risen here and will inevitably rise in the UK. It's just hoping that the 30+ million who have had a vaccine gain some sort of protection from it.

Spain has absolutely no trust in their citizens which is why they imposed curfews between 10pm-midnight and bars and restaurants had to close at 8pm which was also a mistake. It meant people getting tipsy and then going back to someone's flat and having a piss-up there.

If they were to close pubs and bars for 10pm then the majority of people would go home because that's around their usual evening meal time and if nothing is open to take away, they'd just end up going home by themselves.

The one thing that baffles me is that this virus is worldwide yet it seems no countries have worked together to find a way to deal with it and instead have just fine their own thing and make the same mistakes again.
I just can't join you in your condemnation of younger people who want to live their life. I can only speak for this country but I think by and large the level of responsibility and concession made by the vast majority of under 50s has been remarkable. Particularly when this is a virus that is very unlikely to harm them.

I'm sorry but I think to ask them to continually stay away from other people, avoid visiting family and friends, deal with school closures for them and their children and generally detach themself from the life they knew, then to ask them to start all over again, the situation would have to be extremely severe.
 
I just can't join you in your condemnation of younger people who want to live their life. I can only speak for this country but I think by and large the level of responsibility and concession made by the vast majority of under 50s has been remarkable. Particularly when this is a virus that is very unlikely to harm them.

I'm sorry but I think to ask them to continually stay away from other people, avoid visiting family and friends, deal with school closures for them and their children and generally detach themself from the life they knew, then to ask them to start all over again, the situation would have to be extremely severe.

I'm 35 years old, I have two young kids, I want to live my life and I want them to live their lives but we can't because of inconsiderate certain age groups.

Myself and them have obeyed restrictions, rules, lockdowns the lot. Certain people have only obeyed the lockdown because there was literally no one on the streets for 3 months last year. Restrictions and rules they don't care for because the likelihood of them getting caught is slim so they're happy to break rules and go against restrictions.

Look at my videos from a few Saturdays ago in Bilbao when Athletic had the Copa del Rey final against Real Sociedad. Do you think this sort of behaviour is acceptable during a pandemic? This is happening all over the world and because of the spoilt and selfish society we live in.




 
I'm 35 years old, I have two young kids, I want to live my life and I want them to live their lives but we can't because of inconsiderate certain age groups.

Myself and them have obeyed restrictions, rules, lockdowns the lot. Certain people have only obeyed the lockdown because there was literally no one on the streets for 3 months last year. Restrictions and rules they don't care for because the likelihood of them getting caught is slim so they're happy to break rules and go against restrictions.

Look at my videos from a few Saturdays ago in Bilbao when Athletic had the Copa del Rey final against Real Sociedad. Do you think this sort of behaviour is acceptable during a pandemic? This is happening all over the world and because of the spoilt and selfish society we live in.





I find that behaviour distasteful regardless of whether there is a pandemic or not. I don't think these scenes are happening 'all over the world'. It's sad that you are basing your judgement of society as being 'spoilt and selfish' on a couple of well selected videos of poor behaviour. I'd consider judging society in that as exceptionally arrogant as it implies that I am in some way considerably more righteous than everyone else.

I'll concede that perhaps you're surrounded by this type of behaviour and as a result you are justified on this summation. I look around and see people making significant sacrifices. Recognising that there are millions of others doing their bit perhaps doesn't help me to elevate myself above the rest of 'society' but I genuinely see that people care. I'm sick and tired of the finger pointing and the point scoring that has come along with this. As soon as young people were allowed to 'enjoy themselves' over the last few days it's all started up again.
 
COVID19 has a relatively low rate of infection, we've demonstrated that too many of us are too selfish, too naive and too lacking in empathy to deal with it effectively and only a vaccine was ever likely to dig us out of our quasi-lockdowns and 'rules but no one is enforcing them' approach - we will be in deep water should we get hit with something more infectious next time. Still, all remaining restrictions will be lifted by June 21st wasn't it? Not long now.
 
I find that behaviour distasteful regardless of whether there is a pandemic or not. I don't think these scenes are happening 'all over the world'. It's sad that you are basing your judgement of society as being 'spoilt and selfish' on a couple of well selected videos of poor behaviour. I'd consider judging society in that as exceptionally arrogant as it implies that I am in some way considerably more righteous than everyone else.

I'll concede that perhaps you're surrounded by this type of behaviour and as a result you are justified on this summation. I look around and see people making significant sacrifices. Recognising that there are millions of others doing their bit perhaps doesn't help me to elevate myself above the rest of 'society' but I genuinely see that people care. I'm sick and tired of the finger pointing and the point scoring that has come along with this. As soon as young people were allowed to 'enjoy themselves' over the last few days it's all started up again.

Think we'll have to agree to disagree and leave it at that
 
It's over and done as best it can be, just keep viewing the daily figures and what not but keeping in mind a country of 68 million citizens
I'm 35 years old, I have two young kids, I want to live my life and I want them to live their lives but we can't because of inconsiderate certain age groups.

Myself and them have obeyed restrictions, rules, lockdowns the lot. Certain people have only obeyed the lockdown because there was literally no one on the streets for 3 months last year. Restrictions and rules they don't care for because the likelihood of them getting caught is slim so they're happy to break rules and go against restrictions.

Look at my videos from a few Saturdays ago in Bilbao when Athletic had the Copa del Rey final against Real Sociedad. Do you think this sort of behaviour is acceptable during a pandemic? This is happening all over the world and because of the spoilt and selfish society we live in.




That's superb, how the hell have I not viewed this footage? Is it being censored?
 
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It's over and done as best it can be, just keep viewing the daily figures and what not but keeping in mind a country of 68 million citizens

That's superb, how the hell have I not viewed this footage? Is it being censored?

It's quickly been brushed under the carpet after Athletic's defeat in the first final and now eyes are fully focused on the second final against Barça this Saturday where similar scenes will probably be seen.
 
COVID19 has a relatively low rate of infection, we've demonstrated that too many of us are too selfish, too naive and too lacking in empathy to deal with it effectively and only a vaccine was ever likely to dig us out of our quasi-lockdowns and 'rules but no one is enforcing them' approach - we will be in deep water should we get hit with something more infectious next time. Still, all remaining restrictions will be lifted by June 21st wasn't it? Not long now.

When does the death rate become so negligible that it is no longer 'selfish' to live as we did pre covid? How long is it sufficient to stay living in current restrictions before it's no longer 'selfish'?

21st June will not be the end of it.
 
Is this the same plonker who advacted the eat out to help out during the periods in the sumner when we were not in lockdown? He changes the goalposts like the direction of the UK wind. The man is an absolute bellend, same as all them who voted him in.

The virus is a microsopic particle and its virtually impossible for any person not to have had any exposure to it.

Lets just crack on now and wear a mask to help minimise the concentration of the virus and to let our bodies own defence mechanism ie T Cells do what the do best.
 
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He's right, to be fair. Whether he should be making this point at this stage is another matter.


Bizarre that really, I would doubt the point he is making would be particularly different with correctly presented data but he has omitted entire key age groups in every graph - totally undermining the work. 1st graph 0-18, 70-79 completely omitted, 2nd graph 0-18, 65-84 completely omitted :eek: , 3rd graph 70-79 completely omitted, but the same '50% of 80+' vaccinated highlighted on each graph, the way he has done it turns a clear cause and effect (if you ignore other factors) into something altogether vague.
 
Is this the same plonker who advacted the eat out to help out during the periods in the sumner when we were not in lockdown? He changes the goalposts like the direction of the UK wind. The man is an absolute bellend, same as all them who voted him in.

The virus is a microsopic particle and its virtually impossible for any person not to have had any exposure to it.

Lets just crack on and wear a mask to help minimise the concentration of the virus and let our bodies own defence ie T Cells do what the do best.

You could be worse off and have Spain's president Pedro Sanchez as your leader who went on record live on television last June/July saying "we have defeated the virus, you can go and live your lives and you can go on your holidays"

A month later mask wearing became obligatory at all times in outdoor spaces and as soon as August finished and schools started more restrictions came which he blamed on schools rather than the allowing of a free for all summer holiday party from anyone within Spain or outside.
 
When does the death rate become so negligible that it is no longer 'selfish' to live as we did pre covid? How long is it sufficient to stay living in current restrictions before it's no longer 'selfish'?

21st June will not be the end of it.

Political decisions those, and unrelated to my post which refers to the whole pandemic response and implicitly the worst stage and clearly doesn't cover the tail end process.

er, yes obviously June 21st will not be the end of it and it was never going to be, but it's what Boris boldly announced with triumph, and then his lackies around the UK immediately slated Wales and Scotland for refusing to set a 'final' date at that stage.
 
Political decisions those, and unrelated to my post which refers to the whole pandemic response and implicitly the worst stage and clearly doesn't cover the tail end process.

er, yes obviously June 21st will not be the end of it and it was never going to be, but it's what Boris boldly announced with triumph, and then his lackies around the UK immediately slated Wales and Scotland for refusing to set a 'final' date at that stage.
He's going to have to end up bringing the totally over end date forward man it's totally collapsed already and it's 9 weeks until June 21st
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He's going to have to end up bringing the totally over end date forward man it's totally collapsed already and it's 9 weeks until June 21st
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Love your optimism. I'd settle for the normal he has promised by June 21st though, nightclubs, stadiums, foreign holidays, festivals - all with no masks or social distancing required and at 100% capacity - that would be 'totally over' after all.
 
Love your optimism. I'd settle for the normal he has promised by June 21st though, nightclubs, stadiums, foreign holidays, festivals - all with no masks or social distancing required and at 100% capacity - that would be 'totally over' after all.
It certainly would, although the foreign travel we have little control over, so that will still be jumping through hoops. Everything else game on.
 
Bizarre that really, I would doubt the point he is making would be particularly different with correctly presented data but he has omitted entire key age groups in every graph - totally undermining the work. 1st graph 0-18, 70-79 completely omitted, 2nd graph 0-18, 65-84 completely omitted :eek: , 3rd graph 70-79 completely omitted, but the same '50% of 80+' vaccinated highlighted on each graph, the way he has done it turns a clear cause and effect (if you ignore other factors) into something altogether vague.

I'm not exactly sure why he has omitted the 70-79 age group, but far from some random radgey, he is the bloke who oversees the Financial Times' data visualisation and I'm a fan of his work.

Despite the seemingly odd choices he's made, the data is compelling and it would certainly appear that Boris is more-or-less right here - lockdown had the greatest impact of all, though of course vaccination has now had some.
 
I just can't join you in your condemnation of younger people who want to live their life. I can only speak for this country but I think by and large the level of responsibility and concession made by the vast majority of under 50s has been remarkable. Particularly when this is a virus that is very unlikely to harm them.

I'm sorry but I think to ask them to continually stay away from other people, avoid visiting family and friends, deal with school closures for them and their children and generally detach themself from the life they knew, then to ask them to start all over again, the situation would have to be extremely severe.
Brilliant post. Well said.

I don’t socialise that much. In fact it is only because of my lass I have been able to go out to places like the cinema or go for a bite to eat at Franky & Bennys. It’s only because of my lass I drink alcohol. I never did those things before we met. Were we to not have met most of my time..actually all of my time..would be spent going to work and then going home. To vary my life I would go from home to work. The only places I used to go is either shops with mum or the game. I’ve never had any mates. I’ve known people but they did not allow us to get close enough where we could say “hey, want to start hanging out? Let’s get pissed at the weekend”

So were I to still have been single at the start of 2020 I would not have seen any change at all to my life when Lockdown begun.

But I do realise most of the socialising is done by those in their 40s or under. So for them to be asked to keep on giving up their life so other people can go back to theirs isn’t right.

I was in a similar position when I started Unipres. As a thread checker I had to leave my position and hold up the line by going to fill up the stillages and boxes of parts from the point of manufacture so they, guess what, didn’t have to leave the line and hold up production. It was ok for me to but not them.
 

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